Mr. Jenkins.

Well, it was a matter of a few minutes. I was trying to think where I had seen him before, and then it occurred to me that I had seen him in .the hallway near the elevator shaft of the third floor on the evening of the assassination.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you said also that you saw him later that Friday night

at the time in the assembly room ?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I take it you were in the assembly room ?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And that you did see a man whom you now think was Jack Ruby in that room ?

Mr. Jenkins.

I am quite sure it seemed to me it was the same man.

Mr. Hubert.

When you saw him on the 24th under the conditions that you stated and. after reflection, did you also think that the Jack Ruby you saw on the 24th was also the man you had seen in the assembly room?

Mr. Jenkins.

I was more sure than I was not that this was the same man, but again, I had not seen him before, and this was strictly by recall.

Mr. Hubert.

I am trying to probe your intellectual processes on the 24th, and as I gather it, on the 24th when you first saw him, your intellectual processes were that "I have seen this man," and then upon searching your memory, you related it to the man you had seen on two different occasions on Friday, the 22d? That is to say, in the hall in the early part of the afternoon, and then later in the assembly room, is that correct?

Mr. Jenkins.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you think that the man you saw earlier in the evening on the third floor was the same man that you saw in the assembly room?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes; I think so.

Mr. Hubert.

And. you think that Jack Ruby was that man on both occasions?

Mr. Jenkins.

In my opinion, it was the same man.

Mr. Hubert.

It might have been ?

Mr. Jenkins.

In my opinion, it was the same man; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

How was he dressed on the first occasion that you saw him? That is to say, the early part of the afternoon and evening?

Mr. Jenkins.

The only thing that I can recall is that the man had on what could have been an overcoat or a topcoat. It was a long coat of some sort. It seemed it might have been of a brown or lighter brown or dark gray color, and it was definitely an overcoat. It seemed to be some sort of trench coat, or not a long coat.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have a hat?

Mr. Jenkins.

No hat.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember what his hair looked like?

Mr. Jenkins.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he slightly bald?

Mr. Jenkins.

I really don't remember, except it was dark.

Mr. Hubert.

Slightly bald?

Mr. Jenkins.

I can't even positively recall at this moment whether I noticed whether it was slightly bald or not. I have had. too many occasions to see Mr. Ruby since that time, and of course now implication of many pictures is entering in, so I can't honestly say that I can recall exactly what he did look like that evening. But the facial features are the same.

Mr. Hubert.

Now you did see Ruby again after the 24th ?

Mr. Jenkins.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

I take it that that was in the court?

Mr. Jenkins.

In the trial, and in the hearing. Of course pictures in the paper many times.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it still your belief then from the other opportunities you had to see Ruby, that the man you saw on the two occasions on the 22d was Jack Ruby?

Mr. Jenkins.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now in regard to the first occasion, you stated in the document which has been identified as Exhibit No. 1, that you thought you saw him between