Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what a thing called an Alpawna [spelling] A-l-p-a-w-n-a box

Mr. Mccurdy.

A what?

Mr. Hubert.

All Alpawna box?

Mr. Mccurdy.

Alpawna box--no; I don't. I have no idea.

Mr. Hubert.

I don't either.

Mr. Mccurdy.

Apparently, if it was of any size, he didn't have it on him, because as I testified to the FBI agent, he didn't look like he had a gun on him of any kind. Of course, he may have.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know how he was dressed?

Mr. Mccurdy.

Yes; he had on to my recollection a dark charcoal business suit with a matching dark tie and with dark shoes and a dark hat with a little funny band on it.

Mr. Hubert.

What about an overcoat?

Mr. Mccurdy.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

He had no topcoat on?

Mr. Mccurdy.

No topcoat on.

Mr. Hubert.

Are you familiar with the famous Weissman ad?

Mr. Mccurdy.

Weissman ad?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; which appeared in the Dallas Morning News

Mr. Mccurdy.

Oh, yes; wait a minute, what did it say ?

Mr. Hubert.

It asked some questions of Mr. Kennedy and so forth.

Mr. Mccurdy.

It was an advertisement for a local establishment?

Mr. Hubert.

No; it was an advertisement generally critical of the President. It was a full-page ad which appeared on the day of the President's visit and at the very bottom of it it was signed by Mr. Bernard Weissman.

Mr. Mccurdy.

Well, I don't remember that. I do remember a local grocery store chain--I remember what it was--it was a grocery store chain or some-thing--it was in, I think, the Morning News the next morning--they failed to pull out, after President Kennedy was killed; Saturday morning this came out and it was a picture of a rocking chair and the back of a man and it was, of course, President Kennedy and the little girl was standing there saying something cute and something funny and it would have been very funny had not been that day, but it was just an oversight and a tragedy.

Mr. Hubert.

But in any case, coming back to the Weissman ad, you had no

conversation with Ruby about any such thing?

Mr. Mccurdy.

Oh, no; no.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Ruby in the course of his conversation with you or with anyone else you heard advert to the Jewish question or Judaism in any way at all?

Mr. Mccurdy.

None whatsoever.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you hear him make any comments with respect to a pamphlet called "Heroism"?

Mr. Mccurdy.

No; now, I heard this--the reason this sticks in my mind is
because it was by H. L. Hunt, isn't it, or a Life Line reprint from H. L. Hunt?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Mccurdy.

Russ Knight, the Weird Beard, mentioned it to me later on that Jack had given him this. He didn't give me a copy of it, but he apparently passed it to Russ in a very militant manner, apparently, from what Russ had to say.

Mr. Hubert.

But he did not converse with you about it at all?

Mr. Mccurdy.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

What was Ruby's general attitude and state of mind or state of emotions that night?

Mr. Mccurdy.

Well, I hesitate to use any adjectives for fear of it causing it to be misleading.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, of course, it's a matter of semantics, but once we get an adjective perhaps we can then use it as a point of departure by describing physical action.

Mr. Mccurdy.

Right; I would say, just glancing back, that Jack's overall mood and appearance that night was--looking at it now strictly in the light of his actions on Sunday, it would appear to me that he was in a, well--to draw