Mr. Hubert.

When that was done with him, did he have to pass through this crowded area?

Mr. Johnston.

Yes, sir; those newspaper people he certainly did.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they make any remarks to him or ask him questions?

Mr. Johnston.

They were asking questions--yes, sir; "Did you do it? Did they get the gun? Was that your gun?" Everything imaginable that's what your newspaper people were calling to him as he would go out of there. Every time I would leave to get a drink or get a cup of coffee or anything, it was the same thing. "What's happened? Tell us what's going on? Has he said anything? Has he admitted anything?"

Mr. Hubert.

Was there real pressure brought in the sense that the press was being denied any rights or that they thought that Chief Curry was curbing their fights as press people ?

Mr. Johnston.

I think maybe to a degree some of the press might have thought they were being curbed, because they were not being allowed into the homicide office. It is a small office. It consists of an entrance office, the lieutenant's office and the captain's office, and an interrogation room, and a small office with a detective's desk. There were some 25 or 30 officials that were in this office and it was pretty crowded. You couldn't have let the press in. I think personally that pressures were put on Chief Curry by the news media.

Mr. Hubert.

In what way? Do you remember anything significant along that line?

Mr. Johnston.

Well, I think the chief bent over backwards to them, giving them every opportunity he could within reason to allow them to get their stories and to get their pictures and to get their live television. They even moved a live camera down to the detail room or the assembly room.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it used there?

Mr. Johnston.

Yes, sir; it was in operation when I walked in that room.

Mr. Hubert.

It was televised ?

Mr. Johnston.

Yes, sir. Now, whether they taped it, whether it was live
at that point--they had a live camera there set up.

Mr. Hubert.

In the room ?

Mr. Johnston.

In the room--just inside the doorway of the assembly room, because you had to step over the cables to it to get into the assembly room.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever hear any such remarks like this one, "Well, we knew what Oswald looked like a few hours ago, but since he's been in the hands of the Dallas police several hours, we don't know what he looks like now."

Mr. Johnston.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Or some side remarks like that?

Mr. Johnston.

I saw Oswald the first time and I imagine it was around 6 o'clock, and I was in Captain Fritz' office with him at this arraignment. I have now seen pictures--the first pictures that were made of him. I have seen him there and seeing him during that evening and early the next morning, I saw absolutely no change other than maybe a little tiredness--no physical change in his appearances.

Mr. Hubert.

I did not mean to infer at all, let me get that straight, that any force was used.

Mr. Johnston.

Yes; I understand. I know what you mean.

Mr. Hubert.

But--I was saying to you that we have some information that

the press, in an effort to get an interview, started making such accusations?

Mr. Johnston.

I did not hear any of these.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not?

Mr. Johnston.

No, sir. I'll say this again in all fairness to the officers that were involved in this thing, with knowing the seriousness of this incident, the international importance of it--that Chief Curry and his subordinate officers made every effort to allow Lee Harvey Oswald to be seen by the press--to see that the man was not being physically abused, that he wasn't being tortured in any way. I saw none of it personally myself. That would have been out of the realm of reasonableness. He was spoken to in a normal, calm voice by the officers who spoke to him, and I just can't see it any other way except that