Mr. Rubenstein.

Then I probably went back there.

Mr. Griffin.

In fact all of 1943, and in 1942 with the exception of the fourth quarter of 1942.

Mr. Rubenstein.

I was in the army for 6 months, how could that possibly be?

Mr. Griffin.

I see. When did you go in the army in 1942?

Mr. Rubinstein.

October.

Mr. Griffin.

October. And when were you separated from the service in 1943?

Mr. Rubenstein.

About April.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, that would be understandable.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Is it October? Because I know I was in the service for 6 months. That I am positive of.

Mr. Griffin.

Now do you recall when you left the service coming back to work for the Arlington Park Jockey Club?

Mr. Rubinstein.

I don't recall but I probably did.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do for them?

Mr. Rubenstein.

You are a ticket puncher like he is doing now. You come over and ask for number two I gave you number two. You ask for number five, I gave you number five.

Mr. Griffin.

You worked in the mutuel window?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes, mutuel window.

Mr. Griffin.

Your record here indicates that you didn't have any employment covered by social security from 1944 to early 1949.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Then--

Mr. Griffin.

What were you doing during that period after you left the Washington Park Jockey Club, and actually the last place you worked at the National Jockey Club.

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know about the names of the jockey club but I worked at the racetrack for a while as a mutuel ticket seller.
As I said before, and I am repeating again, that I bought what I could and sold on the road for myself, and I made a living that way.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.
It is my understanding you were selling novelties?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Novelties, premiums, punchboards, that is about it. That covers a lot of territory.

Mr. Griffin.

What part of the country did you travel in when you were doing that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I covered the Middle West.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you cover any of the South?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No. I never cared much for the South.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall in the latter part of 1949 working in Ripley, Ohio?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do there?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I was a bartender for a friend of mine, Bob Knoff. He owned a tavern, the Riviera Cafe at Front and Main Streets, and Bob said to me, I came down to visit him and he said "What are you doing?" And I said, "Bumming around, making a few bucks selling items." He said, "I need a bartender. Help me out for a while." I said, "OK." So I stayed with him, I don't know, for about a year, about a year or so, about a year, I think.

Mr. Griffin.

6 months.

Mr. Rubenstein.

All right, 6 months. I don't remember. 1949. Then I went back to Chicago. I fixed a few things for him.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do after you worked for Mr. Knoff?

Mr. Rubenstein.

What year was that, 1949?

Mr. Griffin.

1949, 1950.

Mr. Rubenstein.

I went back to my own business again, I think.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me just ask you if you remember working for some of these companies and then I will ask you some general questions. Do you remember working for the Fisher Pen Co.?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.