Mr. Hallmark.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And that's, of course, been reported in this Exhibit No. 1, and you say it is correctly reported?

Mr. Hallmark.

It's very good.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I think you have mentioned in your report here on the first page that he was speaking to someone and told that person that his clubs would be closed, and then the conversation, as you put it here, switched to some remarks concerning the transfer of Oswald.
Can you elaborate on that and tell us in more detail specifically what type of remarks those were?

Mr. Hallmark.

He was--he told this person who he had established as being Ken, that he had been to the city hall and was following this thing, and he had information to the effect that the transfer was to take place that afternoon I got the impression that he had some information and possibly wanted corroboration. In other words, he just was not 100 percent sure, but he had--he thought he knew that the thing was to take place then, but was not 100 percent sure. Then, he remarked that people started strewing flowers at the scene of the assassination, which is in the immediate locale of the county jail, so that possibly because of the congestion they would not transfer Oswald that afternoon. Oswald's name I don't recall definitely that Oswald's name was mentioned. He kept referring to him as "he".

Mr. Hubert.

I think you were aware that he was talking to a newspaper reporter, weren't you, a Wes Wise?

Mr. Hallmark.

He was talking to, if I may tell you something I found out since or I think I found out, he was talking to a diskjockey on one of the local radio stations.

Mr. Hubert.

His original call had been then to a man by the name of Wes Wise--Wesley Wise?

Mr. Hallmark.

He asked for Wes Wise.

Mr. Hubert.

What radio station would that be?

Mr. Hallmark.

I believe that would be Ken Dowe with KLIF. This I think I found out since the trial.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words; he first asked for Wes Wise?

Mr. Hallmark.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

And your recollection is he soon discovered he was talking to Ken and so made a remark that indicated he was?

Mr. Hallmark.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it your impression that his efforts to corroborate the time of the transfer were successful or not? I mean, did you get the impression that this man he was talking to confirmed Ruby's apparent thought that the move would be made that Saturday afternoon?

Mr. Hallmark.

I really don't think he did. I believe that as the conversation progressed and turned out, that Ruby had more information or perhaps, and I don't know what the other guy knew, but perhaps he just wasn't putting anything out.

Mr. Hubert.

In any case, you got the impression that Ruby, who was seeking information, was not in fact getting any but giving some?

Mr. Hallmark.

That's true; and it Just suited him to be putting out this information.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, he seemed pleased with himself?

Mr. Hallmark.

He seemed pleased with himself; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you make the statement here that one of the remarks he made was "You know I'll be there". Do you recall in what context that was, I mean, what had immediately preceded that, so that we might be able to gain some light as to where he said he would be?

Mr. Hallmark.

He planned to be on the scene of the transfer.

Mr. Hubert.

That's what you gathered from that remark?

Mr. Hallmark.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember what preceded it so that we could get the basis of forming an impression ourselves of what this phrase "You know I'll be there" referred to?

Mr. Hallmark.

The conversation that preceded that statement was that about