Mr. Rubenstein.

That is all right. It is the least I can do.

Mr. Griffin.

If there is anything else?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Anything also you might want to know drop me a note and I will be glad to answer it.

Mr. Griffin.

We appreciate your cooperation.

Mr. Rubenstein.

We would like to get a new trial for Jack. Some of my friends say Jack should have gotten the Congressional Medal of Honor. They feel the same way I do about it. People say to me, why didn't he wait for the investigation? How stupid can people be? Then it is premeditated. You don't do things like that. Why wait for an investigation? Sure, it would have been a wonderful thing to have done but you can't, you don't know what is in the other man's mind. I .blame everything on the stupid Dallas police from every angle, even from that angle up there. They knew Oswald was in town, why didn't they grab him. That is my opinion. They blame everything on Jack, the scapegoat, the poor guy has got to take it for the whole police department down there. You know that is the truth and I mean it.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, we certainly appreciate your frankness in this matter and your willingness to express your opinion.

Mr. Rubenstein.

You can call me anytime, if you want me to come back again I will be glad to come back, anytime. If I am out of town I will have to walt to pick up my letter.

Mr. Griffin.

I hope we won't have to trouble you again and thank you very much for coming.

William S. Biggio

Testimony of William S. Biggio

The testimony of William S. Biggio was taken at 5 p.m., on April 2, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Robert T. Davis, assistant attorney general of Texas, was present.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you stand, please, and take the oath?
Do you solemnly swear in your testimony before this Commission that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Biggio.

I will.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you state your full name, and spell it, please?

Mr. Biggio.

William S. Biggio, [spelling] B-i-g-g-i-o.

Mr. Jenner.

And you are a member of the Dallas City Police Force?

Mr. Biggio.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Are you in any particular division, do you have a particular assignment?

Mr. Biggio.

I am with the special service bureau, criminal intelligence section.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, I am Albert E. Jenner, Jr., one of the members of the legal staff of .the Warren Commission, with which you are familiar, and this item has come to my attention recently through Mr. Davis of the attorney general's office of the Texas staff and while I appreciate the fact that at the moment it is third hand or hearsay, as we lawyers call it, I would just like to have your report on it--which we will seek to run down--as I understand Mr. Davis and the FBI are undertaking the investigation; is that right?

Mr. Davis.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Biggio.

I have since talked to them also.

Mr. Davis.

Since we talked?

Mr. Biggio.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

You appreciate the existence of the President's Commission and what the President's Commission is engaged in, in the investigating of the assassination of President Kennedy and many members of your force have been very helpful to us and have been appearing these last 2 weeks by considerable number. Tell us about this whole incident from the beginning--when it first came to your attention, who brought it to your attention and what developed thereafter?