Mr. Griffin.

Mr. Rubenstein, who did you hear about the crying from? Who told you about the crying?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Eva; he made her sick. He came over there crying.

Mr. Griffin.

Go ahead.

Mr. Rubstein.

Also from the rabbi in Dallas. He went to synagogue Saturday night, and he cried, and there is witnesses to prove it in the synagogue.

Mr. Griffin.

Are there people in the synagogue who saw him?

Mr. Rubenstein.

People in the synagogue that saw him crying when they had a special, some services for the President and they saw him crying and the rabbi saw him crying. They didn't believe a guy like Jack would ever cry. I don't know the rabbi's name but--

Mr. Griffin.

Silverman.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Silverman. He will testify to that and he will bring witnesses who saw him cry. Jack never cried in his life. He is not that kind of a guy to cry. Never complained about nothing. Never talked about any heroic deeds that he ever did. He didn't go for that stuff.

Mr. Griffin.

He wasn't; you wouldn't characterize him as somebody who bragged?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Far from it. He was reticent in that respect. But to help somebody in an emergency, the first one on the street to raise money for any occasion. Any policeman or fireman got hurt or the family needed something he is out there right away selling tickets, and chances are there wasn't enough, he paid the difference himself whatever was needed.
Eva told me that, too. He didn't tell me that. I heard it from people down in Dallas.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me hand you what I have marked as "Washington, D.C. deposition of Hyman Rubenstein, June 5th, 1964, Exhibit No. 5." This is a copy of an interview report prepared by FBI Agent John Golden as a result of an interview that he had with you in Chicago on December 9, 1963.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember that interview?
(Hyman Rubenstein Exhibit No. 5 was marked for identification.)

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; that is the truth like I told you. I don't remember the dates. I know how I met John Paul Jones.

Mr. Griffin.

Paul Roland Jones.

Mr. Rubenstein.

No, John Paul.

Mr. Griffin.

The fellow in the trial at Laredo, is that

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; how come it is John Paul Jones here?

Mr. Griffin.

That is apparently the name you gave. You understood the man's name to be John Paul Jones.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Well, you see I didn't even know his right name then.

Mr. Griffin.

The Jones you met you. recall as being named John Paul Jones?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; that is the name he gave me.

Mr. Griffin.

Are there any corrections or additions you would make to that statement?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; this is the truth. Jack did not know Jones--Jack wasn't down there at the time when I went down there. Eva was alone down there.

Mr. Griffin.

When you say go down there do you mean--

Mr. Rubenstein.

Dallas. When I had to go down to Laredo I stopped off in Dallas to see Eva.

Mr. Griffin.

But the time you are referring to going to Texas is when you went to the trial or was it another time?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; regarding this, Laredo.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; and you say when you went to the trial in Laredo it is your understanding Jack was not living in Dallas?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Definitely. Do you want me to sign this?

Mr. Griffin.

If you would, please. Very good. I say that because I appreciate your coming here and talking with us and taking this time, and I will ask you once again if there is anything else--

Mr. Rubenstein.

These two things I will get for you.

Mr. Griffin.

If you would we would appreciate that.