Mrs. Powell.

Well, I know.

Mr. Griffin.

Any of the girls tell you?

Mrs. Powell.

I got a direct line.

Mr. Griffin.

Did any of the girls tell you how much they were getting paid?
Mrs, POWELL. No.

Mr. Griffin.

Anybody in one of the clubs tell you?

Mrs. Powell.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Who was that?

Mrs. Powell.

I really don't remember. I really don't remember, but that is what I heard, and I just know. Listen, I know these club owners. They are not going to give their girls $35. They are not, because I know them. They kept having their shows over there.
And 1 was in the office when Jack called the head man, I think, in New York or Chicago. He went up, as a matter of fact, to New York and paid a visit to him.
Then when I went to New York last year, he wanted me to go over and talk to him. And one night in his office, I was in there when he made a call. He was very upset about it.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you tell us from your knowledge of Jack that in the couple of weeks or months before President Kennedy was shot, Jack was more excited and worried and concerned about his club and his competitors than he had been at other times?

Mrs. Powell.

No. Maybe he was. He got to where he hadn't been coming in so much, being so worried about it.
He became more relaxed about the club. At first, he would never leave the club. He was there all the time, but he got to where he would go out and come in later like at 10 o'clock or something.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you get the feeling that in fact in the month or so before the President was shot, Jack felt confident enough about his club so he was out doing other things?

Mrs. Powell.

Well, not that he was out doing other things. Just that he wasn't coming in until 10. I think he had someone working up there at that time that was running it.

Mr. Griffin.

Ed Pullman?

Mrs. Powell.

I don't know. I think there was someone up there that was kind of looking after the place, but he had the club pretty well going smooth enough to where he could do that.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Andy Armstrong pretty able to run the club for him?

Mrs. Powell.

Yes. We had all been there so long and we knew what to do and when to do it and how to do it.
Really, Jack didn't have much of a problem, because the kids had been with him for a long time, most of them.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, you described the episode with Jada and as a result of it you mentioned that he felt people were against him, and you sided with his competitors, and he was mad at Earl Norman and felt Earl Norman was on the other side, and so forth.
Had there been other occasions when Jack had said the same thing, or was this a new concern on his part that everybody was turning against him?

Mrs. Powell.

No. Ever since I have known him, he had been that way. He is the type of person that he gets an idea about something and I don't care what it is, if that is the way he feels about it, you can't shake his mind, and it doesn't do any good to argue, because that is the way he is.
And he never thinks before he does anything, never.

Mr. Griffin.

How common was it for him to feel that people were against him?

Mrs. Powell.

Well, it is very common, because I think---I don't know, because I wasn't there, but from being around him and from knowing Ralph as well as I do and other people that know Jack, I understand that he had a pretty hard time getting up.

Mr. Griffin.

From your own experience, I am asking you?

Mrs. Powell.

Well, it was very common, but you know, like all of his life, he has had to fight for things, and he feels that in order to get some place, he's got