Mr. Griffin.

Where were you sitting at the time you heard this telephone conversation?

Mrs. Helmick.

In the front booth.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this at the Bull Pen Drive-In?

Mrs. Helmick.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to ask you. to take a pencil here and a piece of paper and draw us a diagram of the inside of that Bull Pen Drive-In and show us on the diagram where you were seated and where the telephone was and so forth.

Mrs. Helmick.

This is where the booth was.

Mr. Griffin.

First of all, what have you drawn on there?

Mrs. Helmick.

This is where the telephone is.

Mr. Griffin.

Where is the room? Would you draw the outline of the whole room first? Where are the walls of the room?

Mrs. Helmick.

This is the walls and then there is a little something that blocks between two rooms.

Mr. Griffin.

A partition of some sort?

Mrs. Helmick.

Yes; a partition. And the booths are sitting next to it like this.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there a door to this room?

Mrs. Helmick.

No. There is a door coming into the whole thing from the front.

Mr. Griffin.

Where is the door? Do you want to mark the door in there?

Mrs. Helmick.

This is the door. This opens into, and it opens onto the place where you pay as you go out.

Mr. Griffin.

The counter? Cashier? Where is the cashier?

Mrs. Helmick.

The cashier stands in behind this.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you want to write cashier in there?

Mrs. Helmick.

(Writes).

Mr. Griffin.

Now up in the upper left-hand corner of this diagram you have drawn a rectangle and you have written the words telephone and cashier. It is rectangular, some sort of enclosed area?

Mrs. Helmick.

Yes; it is.

Mr. Griffin.

How do you get back into that enclosed area?

Mrs. Helmick.

There is a little open door like thing. It doesn't have a door in front of it. It is just an opening that you can walk behind the counter where all the trays sit for the carhops and everything.

Mr. Griffin.

Where is that located? Can you mark it on the diagram?

Mrs. Helmick.

(Marks).

Mr. Griffin.

Now, is the telephone that you have marked on there, which is behind the enclosed area, is that a public telephone, or a pay telephone?

Mrs. Helmick.

It is a pay telephone.

Mr. Griffin.

Are there any other telephones in there?

Mrs. Helmick.

No; there is not any other telephones there. I suppose that this booth is about anywhere from 3 to 6 feet away from the telephone.

Mr. Griffin.

You were seated in the booth?

Mrs. Helmick.

I was seated sitting in the first seat.

Mr. Griffin.

You want to mark yourself there? Put an "X" there where you were seated.

Mrs. Helmick.

Right here.

Mr. Griffin.

Was anybody sitting there with you?

Mrs. Helmick.

There was people sitting there. Rose and a man I can't remember who was sitting beside me, and I believe Toyo.

Mr. Griffin.

First of all, what is Rose's last name?

Mrs. Helmick.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she work at the drive-in?

Mrs. Helmick.

She has been working there for about 7 years before I came.

Mr. Griffin.

Is she still working there to your knowledge?

Mrs. Helmick.

The last time I was there, which was about 6 months ago, she was still there.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know where she lives?

Mrs. Helmick.

No.