Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know. I think he had money because he was getting donations all the time in letters.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Telegrams by the hundreds.

Mr. Griffin.

How did he feel about those letters and telegrams?

Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He felt pretty good that he didn't fight the case alone. He felt like he had help.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he think the cause was?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Of course, there was always cranks who didn't agree with what he did. We don't agree with what he did, either. You don't avenge a wrong with another wrong but I told the television people this, and I am going to tell it to you. Chances are this was a hundred million people. If they were down in Dallas at the same time Jack was, if they had a gun in their hand they probably would have done the same thing. I don't say they would have, probably. Just one of those incidents. May I add something?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Jack left a Western Union office at 11:17, stamped by his receipt from the money order that he mailed to Fort Worth. The maid knocked on his door at 8 o'clock that morning to clean up his room. Jack says, "Come back at 2 o'clock." Which meant he wanted to sleep. The girl called him at 10 o'clock from Fort Worth, about there, Jack got up, took his dog, Sheba, drove down to the Western Union, wired $25 to this, I can't think of her name.

Mr. Griffin.

Little Lynn?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Little Lynn.
He saw the commotion about 450 feet down, and he wanted to know what was going on and he just happened to be there, and it was figured out 6 more seconds Jack would have missed the whole thing, if he had hesitated, because they were walking Oswald from the station to the wagon.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you talk to Jack at all about his activities prior to the shooting and how he got in?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No, no; we didn't even mention anything like that. We weren't concerned with what happened before. We were worried, we were wondering and worried why, and the only answer I can give you is he must have blacked out. You just black out and you do things like that. It is like punching somebody in the nose and then you feel sorry for it later.

Mr. Griffin.

Perhaps this would be a good time for you, unless you want to break for lunch now--

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't care. Can I add something to this?

Mr. Griffin.

I would like to ask you if we can go on here maybe we can finish up.

Mr. Rubenstein.

In an hour?

Mr. Griffin.

Less than that. Why don't you take an opportunity now to tell us what you would like to tell us that I haven't covered in the questioning.

Mr. Rubenstein.

May I add how a person can possibly shoot a guy like Oswald, may I give you an example?

Mr. Griffin.

Certainly.

Mr. Rubenstein.

A player is sitting on the football bench, a sub. A man on the opposite team is running with the ball. The player gets off the bench and tackles the guy with the ball. What do you call the instinct, compulsion. That is the same situation with Jack. How do you account for it. You don't know. He had no business getting off that bench. He is not even playing in the game any more than Jack had any business being in that station. That is my answer why Jack did it. May I add this?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

That police department is using Jack as a scapegoat for their mistakes. Anything--they have nobody else to blame it on, Jack Ruby. "You were responsible for the whole deal." They are blaming everything on him, and that is one of the reasons why these policemen lied to save their own skins.

Mr. Griffin.

Which policemen?

Mr. Rubenstein.

All five that testified. Jack never said those things. He told me he never said those things about going to shoot him three times. No