Mr. Kleinman.

Beg your pardon?

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever have occasion to discuss with Jack his religious beliefs?

Mr. Kleinman.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack ever express to you any concern or sensitivity about his position in Dallas as a Jewish person?

Mr. Kleinman.

No; I have never gone into it. I never discussed anything like that with him. In the. first place, when he came up to see me, the main thing I was interested in was getting his reports that he had to file quarterly, because they were behind originally, and I was trying to get him up to date on it, and it took up so much time, that I couldn't discuss anything with him.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know where Jack Ruby maintained his bank account?

Mr. Kleinman.

Well, he had a small bank account. I think it is in the Merchants State Bank. I think that is the name of the bank. I have got it in the office.

Mr. Griffin.

Any other, that you recall?

Mr. Kleinman.

No. There might have been another account, but I don't remember what bank it would be, because the bank accounts he had were very small. I think most of his business was handled out of his pocket.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know Mr. Ruby's friend, George Senator?

Mr. Kleinman.

I met him downtown. I met him, if I remember correctly, I first met him in the Statler's Men Shop. I think he was selling. He was a salesman representing, I don't know whether it is men's line or what line of merchandise it is he was representing.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see him at all on November 22 or 23 or 24?

Mr. Kleinman.

Who is that?

Mr. Griffin.

George Senator.

Mr. Kleinman.

I don't think so. I don't remember seeing him.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you, where were you at the time you learned that President Kennedy had been shot?

Mr. Kleinman.

Well, I was in this restaurant that burned down here on Commerce Street next to the Picadilly. I don't know whether it is right next to it, or either one door away. Someone came in and said the President had been shot, and I knew that the parade had just passed by. I was on Akard and Main Street. And we thought they were kidding because it was so fast, they would get the news out so quick.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do after you heard that?

Mr. Kleinman.

Well, I walked up the street there to Sol's Turf Bar and they had it turned on television.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you remain on Friday at Sol's?

Mr. Kleinman.

Well, I don't remember. I usually go by there every evening. He is one of my clients.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember where you were Friday evening?

Mr. Kleinman.

Well, I don't think I could remember exactly where I was.

Mr. Griffin.

Now on Saturday, did you have occasion to go to Sol's Turf Bar?

Mr. Kleinman.

Yes. I usually go there on Saturdays to make up their payroll, and that Saturday, if I am not mistaken, I was at the barber shop until about, oh, maybe 2:30 or a quarter to three. Then when I left there I went over to Sol's to make up the payroll, and Jack Ruby was in there that afternoon.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Jack in there when you walked in the door, or was it sometime later?

Mr. Kleinman.

Well, he was in there when I walked in, and he left within about, oh, just a few minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was Jack when you first saw him in the bar?

Mr. Kleinman.

That afternoon?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Kleinman.

He was in Sol's.

Mr. Griffin.

Whereabouts? In a booth, or at a table, or along the bar?

Mr. Kleinman.

No; he was standing there talking to two or three people.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember who those people were?

Mr. Kleinman.

Well, I don't recall. One of them was Frank Belocchio. I don't recall who else was in there. There was a group of people in there.