Mr. Mccullough.

from--that some of the phrase came from the man who did the shooting. But it seemed to me it came from a policeman who was standing in the corridor opposite the entrance to the booking room. And I got a look at this officer when he moved into the group around Ruby, and found him later on the third floor, and he did say it was he who shouted out, and that his assignnent was the vice squad in Dallas, and that he recognized Ruby as Ruby moved toward Oswald. The officer's name is in that statement, but what it is---I forget it, myself, now.

Mr. Griffin.

We have it in the statement, and this is going to be a part of the statement.

Mr. Mccullough.

And the officer told me and told other reporters this at the same time that he knew Ruby from his regular patrol work as a vice squad officer.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there anything that you can think of that might be pertinent to our investigation that you have observed that we have not talked about here today, or which you did not mention in the interview on December 1?

Mr. Mccullough.

The only thing that might be worthy of mention is the fact that when Wade, the police chief, and the homicide squad Captain Fritz talked to reporters, they were under constant pressure to produce Oswald. As a matter of fact, on many occasions, late Friday night, early Saturday morning, they were told by various reporters that they owed an obligation to this and the whole world to let them see the man who shot the President. And this, I think, is why they did produce--

Mr. Griffin.

Did you actually hear some reporters say that?

Mr. Mccullough.

Yes.
Mr. POLLACK that vein, did you hear any insinuations being made that the Dallas Police Department might have been mistreating Oswald?

Mr. Mccullough.

Only from Oswald. He at one time, when he was walking along the corridor---and here I don't know whether he was on his way to this press conference, for want of a better word, or whether he was leaving. He said something about his sanitary rights were being violated. One of the policemen said he wants to take a shower. Oswald himself, the first time I saw him, in the lineup room--there, again, at the basement level---he held his hands high so that the handcuffs he was wearing would be seen on camera. And this struck me as a little unusual, because having had many, many years as a police reporter, I have seen people who were charged with crimes try to cover their face. He made no such movement. He was just trying to display the handcuffs, which struck me as odd.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you feel that it would have been proper or improper for the police department not to have permitted news media representatives on the third floor on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday?

Mr. Mccullough.

Well, my own personal opinion---I feel that it would have been perfectly proper for them to have not permitted news media representatives on that particular floor. But there, again, having said this, I would like also to say I don't think there is any police department in the country that is set up to handle an investigation following the assassination of a President. I think they were extremely sensitive to public opinion, and were trying to do their best to show that they were doing a good job.

Mr. Griffin.

How many other police departments have you had experience with in your years as a reporter?

Mr. Mccullough.

Well, as a police reporter it was pretty much in Philadelphia. But as far as security around a President--I have traveled with several President, in political campaigns and tours, and so that I have seen the police operate in New York and Chicago.

Mr. Griffin.

How many years experience have you had in Philadelphia as a police reporter?

Mr. Mccullough.

Ten.

Mr. Griffin.

I am asking here now for a personal opinion. In your estimation, do the police have an affirmative obligation to render affirmative assistance to newspaper reporters in covering matters?

Mr. Mccullough.

I think they do. Yes; so long as it does not hinder the investigation, as such. Actually, I think that in most cases this can be done without any hindrance to the investigation. Of course, while I say it would