Mr. Pappas.

he said it will be okay, or what, but he just darted out again, out of the enclosure. And in a short while, Henry Wade finished up his telephone conversation and came over to my phone.

Mr. Griffin.

Ruby didn't actually accompany Wade over, then?

Mr. Pappas.

No; I don't think he waited.

Mr. Griffin.

Is it that you don't have any recollection of it, or do you feel certain--

Mr. Fappas.

I am sure Henry Wade came over by himself, because Henry was on the phone for several minutes after Ruby spoke to him. I imagine he was wrapping up his conversation before coming over to me.

Mr. Griffin.

And then what happened when Wade came over?

Mr. Pappas.

I did the interview with him to New York.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you still have a copy of that interview?

Mr. Pappas.

I don't think so, because this was not done on my tape recorder, as I said. I think we have a copy of a portion of it, because when it did get up to New York--I don't know really whether it was used on the air or not. I imagine it was. And when we do use them, we edit them down. So I believe we have all of our tapes from last year. And if it was used, we have it.

Mr. Griffin.

What is the telephone number that you called in New York?

Mr. Pappas.

MO 1-3621.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that a collect call?

Mr. Pappas.

It was--I could not tell you, I am not sure. I think it had to be, because I could not call directly from the phone. I would say I assume it was collect. I cannot recall whether I called collect or not.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have a credit card?

Mr. Pappas.

No; we reverse the charges usually.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do after you finished the interview with Wade?

Mr. Pappas.

Well, then he disappeared and I went out back into the lineup room where the Justice of the Peace Johnston, was holding an interview with other reporters, and he was reading the initial charge, I believe, against Oswald, to us. And I did an interview with him.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Ruby there at that time?

Mr. Pappas.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

And then what did you do after that?

Mr. Pappas.

Well, after that I went--I got through with Johnston, and then I went over to a radio station.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that KLIF?

Mr. Pappas.

KLIF, yes. I forget what time this was.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do--how did you get into KLIF?

Mr. Pappas.

I rang the bell downstairs, I believe, knocked on the door. Somebody came down.

Mr. Griffin.

And then what did you do when you got in there?

Mr. Pappas.

Well, I had to prepare a lot of material for the morning. I had a lot of tape to feed to New York. And I worked.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you see Jack Ruby while you were at KLIF?

Mr. Pappas.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember having anything to eat at KLIF?

Mr. Pappas.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Who did you get that from?

Mr. Pappas.

From one of the diskjockeys there.

Mr. Griffin.

And what did you have?

Mr. Pappas.

I had sandwiches.

Mr. Griffin.

Corned beef sandwiches?

Mr. Pappas.

I don't know. I am not sure. I don't know what type they were. Might have been corned beef.

Mr. Griffin.

Some of the people we have talked to at KLIF recall that you were present when Ruby was there. Do you have any recollection of that?

Mr. Pappas.

No; this is absolutely incorrect.
Now, the sandwiches were there when I arrived. I had not eaten. And I was very happy to have a sandwich. It was quite good, also. And I had a bottle of pop, and I said this is terrific, where did you get all this? And the person I spoke to said, "Oh, some guy brought them up." And I said, "Great."