Mr. Pappas.

talk, and a lot of people protested, they said they could not hear him, the Nation was listening, they wanted to know who this fellow Oswald was. He finally agreed, I believe---he said, "Okay, let's all go downstairs."
I didn't know where downstairs was, but I said to myself if that is where they are all going, that is where I am going. And I asked someone beside me, and said, "Where are we going?" and he said, "They are going to hold a press conference downstairs." I said, "Great." And I followed Chief Curry and District Attorney Wade downstairs, where we all Jammed into the lineup room, I suppose.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you station yourself in the assembly room in relationship to Henry Wade?

Mr. Pappas.

Well, we were all in there first, before Wade came in. He stayed outside for awhile. I set my microphone up, or tried to get in position with the other microphones which were on the table. And we all expected Wade to come over there to deliver his statement, and also to answer questions. Actually, Wade placed himself in position to me, which was right next to me.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Jack Ruby while you were in the assembly room?

Mr. Pappas.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall any conversation or any remarks that Jack Ruby made to Henry Wade while in the assembly room?

Mr. Pappas.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, after--how long is it you estimate that the press conference lasted in the assembly room?

Mr. Pappas.

I don't think I could estimate that. I don't know. I really didn't pay any attention to the length of the press conference. I don't want to mislead you. I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember what you did after the press conference ended?

Mr. Pappas.

Well, afterward is a long time. You mean immediately afterward?

Mr. Griffin.

Immediately afterward.

Mr. Pappas.

Let's see. Yes--I wanted to talk to Henry Wade, wanted to get a personal interview with him. And he did give us one or two statements, and then he wandered out, everybody else was wandering out. And I decided that I would try to get Henry Wade on the telephone directly to my office in New York. I went outside. I saw some other reporters--I didn't know who they were, but they knew the ropes, I suppose, of the police station, and they were using the phones out there.

Mr. Griffin.

Where, specifically, was this?

Mr. Pappas.

At the reception area, outside of the lineup room. There is a long reception desk, with other desks behind the long reception desk.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you familiar with what is called the records room of the police department?

Mr. Pappas.

Well, I suppose was that the records room--I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

That is what I am getting to. If you knew what the records room was, that would be my next question.

Mr. Pappas.

Specifically I didn't know whether they called it the records room. It looked like a registration area to me. They did have a lot of desks, files, people doing clerical work.

Mr. Griffin.

You know which room is the jail office, don't you?

Mr. Pappas.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Is the room that you are talking about now, was that the jail office?

Mr. Pappas.

No; this was the area immediately outside of the lineup room. The jail office is a much smaller area, and it is enclosed. And this was a wider, broader room.

Mr. Griffin.

And the telephones were located in that particular room that you are talking about?

Mr. Pappas.

Yes; they were on a counter-like affair.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have to go into the room to use the telephones, or could you stand in the hallway next to the counter?

Mr. Pappas.

Well, as I recall it, when you stepped out of the lineup room, you were in the other room. And the phones were right there on the counter.