Mr. Robertson.

made, and couldn't do so. To the best of our recollection, it was sometime around the first of the year.

Mr. Griffin.

Would your best estimate be that at least a month passed before you made this tape?

Mr. Robertson.

I believe so.

Mr. Griffin.

Now on Sunday, November 24, after Ruby shot Oswald, did you report to anybody in your station that you had seen Ruby?

Mr. Robertson.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Who did you tell that to?

Mr. Robertson.

To Waiter Evans.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this used in any way as part of a newscast?

Mr. Robertson.

I doubt that it would have been used for a newscast. I had been under the impression that I had mentioned it in connection With a wrap-up broadcast that we had done shortly after the events, within a week or so. When all of this came up, I mentioned that, and Walter said that he recollects it was not included in that, and I believe he checked the material. But I had thought we had. I thought I talked about it at that time.

Mr. Griffin.

As you think back over how your own recollection of this event has evolved, have there been any changes in your mind about, in other words, as you first reported this to Evans? Has there been any difference in your conception of what had happened when you reported on it to Evans, as opposed to what it is now in your mind?

Mr. Robertson.

You mean have the events or descriptions changed any?

Mr. Griffin.

What I mean to say is, very often the first time we think about this, we will describe it in one way, and then as we think about it and talk about it again, why in our own mind it changes and our description changes. Has that happened in connection with this event at all?

Mr. Robertson.

If it has, I am not aware of it. The only way in which I would say some sort of mutation of this sort has taken place is that, looking back from this perspective, I don't feel so greatly that thundering herd in the hall as I did at that time. I am further removed and it seems more of an abstraction. It was at the time, frankly indescribable, in my judgment. But other than that, I can't recall.

Mr. Griffin.

You mentioned when you talked with one of the FBI agents that in the time you had seen Ruby, you had seen him bawling out his fellow employees. Can you give us some specific instances of that?

Mr. Robertson.

I remember one particular--I am sorry I can't say when--I can't even say which girl it was--and I recall I only heard a portion of the convention. Apparently the girl had been running around with someone of whom Jack didn't approve, and the gist of the conversation, as I understood it at the time, and this was fragmentary, was you either leave ,this guy alone or find some place else to work.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you if you know any of these people. Do you know Ruby's stripper, Little Lynn?

Mr. Robertson.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know her before November 22?

Mr. Robertson.

Not as far as I know. I don't know her now.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know his stripper, Kathy Kay?

Mr. Robertson.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Tammi True?

Mr. Robertson.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know his roommate, George Senator?

Mr. Robertson.

No; I never met Senator.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you downtown at all on Saturday, November 23?

Mr. Robertson.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you heard any information which might indicate how Ruby got into the police department on Sunday morning?

Mr. Robertson.

I heard one story, and I have no idea whether there is any validity to it or not. The story I heard was that he had gained entrance to the basement by helping a camera crew push a camera down the ramp, that he had attached himself to the crew pushing the camera, and got in that way.