Mr. Rubenstein.

we don't care for no publicity. We all have pretty good personalities. My customers still laugh at my corny stories I tell them the year before. I don't have to impress anybody. We don't go for none of that big shot stuff.
So, when this thing hit us, you people can't imagine, and then the phone started to ring. It kept ringing from that Sunday morning from reporters, and newspaper people from all over the country, and it just didn't stop. We didn't know what to say. It was just sickening. We had no answer for them.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have occasion to go to Dallas at any time in the fall of--before the President was assassinated?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you go to Dallas afterward?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you go?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Just before Christmas, let's say December 23, 24, and 25. No; on Christmas day I was on the road so I probably was there for 2 or 3 days around that period.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you know any of Jack's friends in Dallas?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; because I wasn't familiar with Dallas.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know Ralph Paul?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I met him later.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you known him before then?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Never even heard of the name.

Mr. Griffin.

How about George Senator?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Never heard the name.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have anything to do with raising money for the defense?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us what you had to do with that.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Here is a copy of, almost like this that we placed in certain newspapers.

Mr. Griffin.

I will simply read this into the record. You have handed me a sheet of paper on which is printed in capital letters on the first line, "Appeal for Fair Play." And on the second line "Save Jack Ruby" with three exclamation marks after it. Then in lowercase letters with the initial capitals "Funds for his Defense Needed" on one line. "Send your Contributions to:" on the next line, and then in all caps under that "Jack Ruby Defense Fund Committee," then with initial caps and lowercase letters "P.O. Box 5226, Chicago 80, Illinois."

Mr. Rubenstein.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

That is an advertisement you say you ran?

Mr. Rubenstein.

They ran it in several newspapers. One was the New York Times, I believe. It was rather unsuccessful, rather unsuccessful. But here is one we sent out 2,000 letters and we lost $200 out of it. We got $5 back.

Mr. Griffin.

This is a copy of a letter on the stationery headed "Jack Ruby Appeal Committee".
Now, do you want this stationery?

Mr. Rubenstein.

You can have it. Just keep it. Keep this, too, so you will have it for your records.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Let me mark the "Appeal for Fair Play" advertisement as "Washington, D.C., deposition of Hyman Rubenstein, June 5, 1964, Exhibit No. 1," and let me ask you if you will sign it.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Down here?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

All right.
(Hyman Rubenstein Exhibit No. 1 was marked for identification.)

Mr. Griffin.

And the next piece of paper, the letter on Jack Ruby Appeal Committee stationery I am going to mark "Washington, D.C., deposition of Hyman Rubenstein, June 5, 1964, Exhibit No. 2," and ask you if you will sign this also.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Sure. I have got "Hy Rubenstein."

Mr. Griffin.

That is all right.
(Hyman Rubenstein Exhibit No. 2 was marked for identification.)