Mr. Griffin.

Let's get back to Saturday with this understanding that if is anything that took place in your presence or that Jack said to you on Saturday that we haven't covered already? We are finished with Friday. When you read this transcript again, if there is anything that comes to your mind in reading that transcript, write it out and send it to us. But let's go on to Saturday. Let's stay on Saturday. Now, the telephone calls, you said he called Stanley Kaufman?

Mrs. Grant.

That's right.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he talk to Stanley Kaufman about that you heard?

Mrs. Grant.

He went to the post office, and he was still talking about these pictures, and he said he couldn't find a name like that anywhere. He implied that this was not a Jewish man that did it. It was a gentile, and he just wanted to get the Jews in trouble.

Mr. Griffin.

He implied that?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he actually say that?

Mrs. Grant.

No; I could tell from the way he worded. You don't have to say a lot of things if you know a person as well as I know Jack.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you arrive at that conclusion on Saturday when you were talking to him, or is that some conclusion you--

Mrs. Grant.

This was Friday. Well, no, I got to thinking that (pause), I had said this to him. "It could be a gentlie with a name just like that," and didn't think anything of it.

Mr. Griffin.

Why did you suggest to him that it might be a gentile?

Mrs. Grant.

I said in words that it might be a gentile, with a name like that.

Mr. Griffin.

What made you think that?

Mrs. Grant.

Because I know a lot of Swedes, like the name Swanson, or Peter. ' I know a lot of Jewish people named Miller.

Mr. Griffin.

What gave you the idea that the Weissman ad was put in by a gentile?

Mrs. Grant.

Nothing any more than I was just trying to cover--not cover up--maybe in my subconscious mind I didn't want a Jew to be connected with it either.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack suggest that to you, or you to him, first?

Mrs. Grant.

This is it. We both feel--we don't have the feeling that anyone would be such a low life.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you understand my question?

Mrs. Grant.

I don't remember which one said it. We felt that way. We talked about it. I could have said a lot of things.

Mr. Griffin.

Mrs. Grant, what do you remember saying to Jack about the Weissman ad on Saturday afternoon or evening?

Mrs. Grant.

I asked him, I said, "Did you look in the city directory?" I probably indicated stuff like he is a Commie, and by Saturday he already changed. I figured I talked about Birchera.

Mr. Griffin.

Mrs. Grant, on Friday when you talked with Jack about the Weissman ad, did you suggest to him, or was there any talk that Weissman might not be a Jew?

Mrs. Grant.

He was a commie straight with Oswald.

Mr. Griffin.

On Friday when you talked about the ad; is that right?

Mrs. Grant.

I mean, he implied little things like that. After all, it is my brother. We have a right to have private conversations.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mrs. Grant.

I maybe even said, "Jew" to rile up everybody.

Mr. Griffin.

When you first talked with Mr. Burleson about this, did you tell him what you have just been telling us here?

Mrs. Grant.

I don't know. If he remembers, he is doing better than I am doing. If he thinks I lied, or I am not telling the truth, I don't know--did I leave something out?

Mr. Burleson.

Not that I know.

Mrs. Grant.

Saturday afternoon he brought me three pictures, and he is read-