Mrs. Grant.

and it seems to me he said, "The President is at Parkland Hospital." And Pauline and I talked again, and she said, "I have to hang up." She wanted to call some friends, or her daughter. And it seems to me I already heard--it might have been 20 minutes later this time, a fellow says, "The President is dead [starts crying]. And it seems to me Jack called.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, Mrs. Grant--

Mrs. Grant.

Let me explain something. I have been very sick, and I was taking pills, which I showed Leon Hubert. No; someone came to my house recently, Clemmons---what is the name of that fellow? An FBI man and Hosty.

Mr. Griffin.

Hosty?

Mrs. Grant.

Hosty came, and I showed him the pills. I think there were 2 dozen originally. And I didn't start taking them until a few days before. I don't remember, I think the pills were given to me around the 15th or 16th of the month. I took some, and I had called Dr. Aranoff, and Dr. Bookatz. He was his associate, somebody. After I had taken the pills, I called the nurse, either Bloom or Blum or something, and I told her these pills put me in a trance. I am stiff and I can't think. And she said cut down to one every 4 hours.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me interrupt you a second. I want go keep on the track.

Mrs. Grant.

I want to explain, I was taking these pills. I had taken one that morning.

Mr. Griffin.

You were taking pills, and that is when Jack called you?

Mrs. Grant.

No. I had taken one early in the morning and went back to bed, and I took one about 4 or 5 hours later before Pauline called me.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack call you before you heard this man on television who said he thought--

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; he talked to me earlier in the morning. When I say early in the morning, it could have been 10:30.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, after you learned that the President had been shot, and you talked with Pauline Hall, did you then talk with Jack before you heard the man on channel 8, or after you heard the man on channel 8?

Mrs. Grant.

No; I heard the man first, because just as the this is his word--Jack said, "Isn't that awful?"

Mr. Griffin.

Was Jack talking to you about the fact the President had been shot, or did he mention that the President was dead?

Mrs. Grant.

I want to tell you something. He assumed that I am listening, because he had spoken to me earlier in the morning, and he said nothing about this ad. Don't forget the ad. Even before this.

Mr. Griffin.

We can go back to that, but I want to--

Mrs. Grant.

He assumed and I assumed that each one knew. When he called me, I had an idea. I tell you the truth, I thought he was in the Morning News. I don't know--I thought he was. Did you ever have the feeling that the party wasn't at home?

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anything you heard over the telephone which indicated he was in the Morning News?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, the background. I mean, like I have heard it before, maybe. After all, I heard it many times. I don't say someone came and talked to him at the Morning News or announced themselves.

Mr. Griffin.

You indicated that Jack called you on an earlier occasion that day.

Mrs. Grant.

Absolutely.

Mr. Griffin.

All right, about what time of the morning was it that he called you?

Mrs. Grant.

It seems it could have been 10:30 or 11, or 11:30. It seems to me still before Pauline.

Mr. Griffin.

He called you before you knew that the President had been shot?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; 11 a.m.

Mr. Grant.

Now, let me ask you this---

Mrs. Grant.

Let me explain this. We have a lot of daily talk about the club, and our conversation was mostly about the club.

Mr. Griffin.

The first conversation?

Mrs. Grant.

It was about the club.