Mr. Fehrenbach.

couldn't identify and I couldn't tell you which one it was. Anyway he told me it was the same man.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to hand you what--

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I think one reason why it was so easy for me to pick out this picture of Seymour the first time was because Charlotte was also with him. That was the first picture he showed me, Charlotte and Seymour both together, but then he showed me another one of Seymour that I picked out as the same man and then he showed me another one that I couldn't identify. I think there were three pictures.

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to show you what I have marked for identification as George William Fehrenbach deposition July 22, 1964, Exhibit No. 4. I want to hand it to you. That is a photograph of a man. Do you recognize that man in any way?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes, I know this man. I want to say that that is Jack Rubinstein but it doesn't hardly look like him.

Mr. Griffin.

Why not?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, he is a little too heavy there, but he is muscular, heavy build, and it looks like

Mr. Griffin.

What about his features, looks like Jack Rubenstein?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

His hair mainly and his eyes.

Mr. Griffin.

How about his nose?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

The nose is a little out of shape from the way I remember him.

Mr. Griffin.

What kind of a nose did Jack Rubenstein have?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, it was, pardon the expression, an ordinary Jewish nose but it didn't seem like it was that big.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

And I remember him being as something more handsomer than this fellow here.

Mr. Griffin.

More handsome?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes, this fellow is too rugged looking and Jack Rubenstein, the one I knew, didn't look like a rough character in any way.

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to hand you then what I have marked as George William Fehrenbach deposition July 22, 1964, Exhibit .No. 5 and I will ask you--wait, I don't want to show you that picture, let me show you a better picture. Here is a better one. I want to show you what I have marked for identification as George William Fehrenbach Exhibit No. 6, July 22, 1964.
Look at that picture and tell me if you recognize that man in any way?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, now there again this looks like the Jack Rubenstein that I knew then but he is somewhat older here than when I knew him or at least according to the picture but he looks very nearly the same.

Mr. Griffin.

What about him is similar in that picture?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Oh, I don't know. His whole features are all about the same except he is something older. The hair is still about the same, although his hair is receding somewhat. It seems to me like I remember him he had more hair than that.

Mr. Griffin.

Which picture looks more like the Rubenstein that you knew?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I think that other one you showed me looks more like him.

Mr. Griffin.

Of the two pictures?
Mr. FEHRENBACH; I would say this one here putting them both together, this one.

Mr. Griffin.

You are talking about Exhibit No. 6 looking more like him than Exhibit No. 4?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

This one here looks more like him.

Mr. Griffin.

Exhibit No. 6 looks more like him than Exhibit No. 4?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes. Yes, it does.

Mr. Griffin.

From looking at these photographs, do you have some doubts in your mind as to whether either or these well, let's take the man in Exhibit No. 6, this one here, do you have some doubt in your mind as to whether this man might be a man who is different from the Jack Rubenstein you knew?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes. I don't know when this picture was taken but like I