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(Testimony of George William Fehrenbach)
Mr. Fehrenbach.
I think so. Not only that but I have had a lot of time to think about this, and I am just almost certain, I mean in our conversation here that it must have been in the summer.
Mr. Griffin.
Of which year?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Of 1943.
Mr. Griffin.
Now, you were going to tell me, I think when I interrupted you, that the second time that you met him you and he went to a restaurant?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Right. Now the second time---I don't know if this blonde girl was with him the second time or not, it seems to me she was, but she wasn't with him when him and Seymour came up the shop or Charlotte. Yes, Charlotte was with him or.came in later. Anyway--
Mr. Griffin.
Let me interrupt you now; are you sure on this second occasion that he came to Muncie with Charlotte and Seymour?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Yes; he did come with them.
Mr. Griffin.
How do you know that?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Because they had been talking about the trip and they had had some trouble or something, I can't remember what it was, anyway they was talking about what had happened, and then also they was talking about when they was going to leave.
Mr. Griffin.
Where were they going, someplace else from Muncie?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No; they was going back to Chicago and how long they were intending to stay; I don't know. It seems to me I would say it was 3 or 4 days that I seen them around there. But anyway, Jack Rubenstein and I went on to the restaurant, and we had lunch over there, and Jack paid for everything, and then just as we was leaving, why then Charlotte and Seymour came in, and then I went back to the shop and where Jack went I don't know. He went someplace else.
Mr. Griffin.
How did Jack happen to come to the shop without Seymour and Charlotte?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
He just walked in. To my opinion, he knew Sam quite well, I mean apparently they had been, had known each other for quite some time. So there was talk; I had heard them talking about different things that had happened before, and wanted to know how each other were and were referring to different ones, different members that they knew, or different members of each family that they knew.
Mr. Griffin.
Was there anything in Jack Rubenstein's conversation that indicated to you that he might have been in the Jewelry business?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No.
Mr. Griffin.
Was there any indication that he may have been in any business outside of show business or running a bar?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
None that I know of. At least not around me there was never anything said, because to me he was always talking about his establishment, that is what he called it, his establishment, and said he had two of the prettiest girls working for him that could be found in Illinois or Indiana, and he was quite proud of them, and I think in my opinion also he was quite a woman's man. I don't know, just the way he talked about women is where I suppose I draw that conclusion. And he was something of, like I say, of a real dandy himself. I mean he was always very well dressed, always very neat, but, like I say, that second time was the time, in fact, I wasn't even sure I wanted to go down the street with him with that bright red shirt; no, that was the first time, with that bright red shirt. It really amazed me that a man could be so well dressed and still have on such a gaudy shirt and I think, this is my first recollection of him when I met him, because anyway he acted---cutting up all the time and joking, and I more or less thought to myself, what kind of a nut is this guy. But now the first time he dressed quite gaudy, the second time he was very well dressed, and the last time I saw him which was in, it was either in 1946 or 1947 I don't recall which, there was after I came back from the service, him and Seymour and Charlotte came back up there, and this time the blonde wasn't with him I don't think, at least I don't recall seeing her now, and he was very cool. He wasn't the same Jack Rubenstein that I had known before.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you have any explanation for that?
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