(Testimony of George William Fehrenbach)
Mr. Fehrenbach.
close associate to Lawson Jaffe, and it is my impression that Rosenstein was a lawyer because I know Lawson Jaffe is the one who talked about him mostly and apparently this--he took care of legal matters or something for Lawson.
Mr. Griffin.
When do you believe was the first time that you ever saw the man you call Jack Rubenstein?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
The first time that I remember or that I met him, the time I was introduced to him and showed the card tricks and things was around, I believe it would have had to have been in 1943.
I went to work for Sam in 1942 and I had worked for him quite some time. Maybe he had been there before, I don't know but I don't remember him being there.
At least I had never been introduced to him.
Mr. Griffin.
What part of 1943?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
It must have been in the summertime, it would have had to have been in the summertime, I believe.
Mr. Griffin.
How do you place it then?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
By the way they were dressed because I remember when they first introduced me he looked so out of place because he had a very nice looking suit. We had he had one of the loudest sports shirts I had ever seen in my life and I remember when he took his coat off it was a short-sleeved shirt and if I remember correctly it was a real bright red, and I know it was a very loud sport shirt and it Just looked completely out of place with the suit he had on.
And that is why, was the only reason why I connect it with being in the summertime. I don't recall them having topcoats or anything.
Mr. Griffin.
Is what makes you remember this fellow; his clothing, his card tricks, his girl friend, or what?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Well, I think just his; like I said he was a real character, and he was always very, very friendly. Offered to take me out to lunch whenever he was there, and in fact I did go to lunch with him one time, in fact, we went, now this is what Max Pritcher was doing, Max had the restaurant on Main Street, and I was just going out to lunch on the second time that Jack was there, and we had been up there talking and this is the time we was talking that, about me going to Chicago, and Jack said, "Fine," he said, "you can come up to my place, for an evening, you can come up there and really have a good time."
And I was--
Mr. Griffin.
Excuse me, was this before you went into the service or after?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
This was before I went into the service.
Mr. Grifffin.
I see.
So, this was either in the summer of 1943 or later?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Summer of 1943, the first time I was introduced to him and when we went out to lunch it was early in 1944 and it was wintertime at that time because I know we walked from Jaffe's to the restaurant. And we had to put on our topcoats because it was about two or three blocks away.
Mr. Griffin.
I want to try to focus a little bit on the time here. What possibility is there that it could have been before the summer of 1943. Could it have been in the summer of 1942 that you saw him?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No. I don't believe so, because, for the simple reason I say this is because the second time I remember when I went out to dinner with him it was in the wintertime and I know it hadn't been too long that he had been there because if it had been too long I wouldn't have remembered him but I did remember him when he came in, so I don't believe it could have been over 6 or 7 months, and I, thinking back, it just doesn't seem like it would have been too long. In fact, I would say it more likely would have been late summer in 1943.
Mr. Griffin.
Now the first time you talked with the FBI about this it was your recollection that it was in the spring of 1943. Do you recall that? At least this is what they have reported.
Mr. Fehrenbach.
As I told them, I can't remember, at the time I called them, I Just couldn't remember. I couldn't go back 18 years ago or 20 years ago and actually put my finger on any definite time or place, and--
Mr. Griffin.
You think your recollection now as a result of this conversation we have been having is better than it was--
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