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(Testimony of George William Fehrenbach)
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Well, right in front of it usually.
Mr. Griffin.
What was across the street?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Just, there was a barn lot across the street.
Mr. Griffin.
A barn lot?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Yes; just nothing but a field across the street.
Mr. Griffin.
I see. Did you ever get a look at these people?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No; every time I would--I used to get quite provoked at them sitting out there and there would be several occasions when I would go out of the house and go toward the car and ask them what they were doing, but every time I started out the driveway they would leave. So, I actually never got a good look at any of them.
Mr. Griffin.
Why do you think these people were following you?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
I have no idea, but the only thing that I can figure is that they--I had been asked, I had been asked by Lawson Jaffe, I had been asked by the Pazols, and I don't know, there were several different ones, Phil Jasser, all of them had asked me at one time if I had seen any papers lying up in this office or in this union hall when I went up there, and, of course, I denied that. I didn't see anything when I went up there. All I did was went up and got the chair.
"Sam can tell you," I said, "when I came down I didn't have anything but the chair, that was all I could see, that was all I was sent up there for."
Then Sam talked to me on two or three different times and asked me, he said, "If you did take the list I am not going to tell anybody, but did you actually take the list or see it up there?" And I said, "No," I didn't even tell him.
Mr. Griffin.
What did they indicate that list was about?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
They didn't. They would never tell me. All they said there were two or three sheets of paper, said, "Didn't you see them laying there? And I said, "No," I never did see them. But they would never tell me what it was all about.
Mr. Griffin.
Who was it besides Sam Jaffe, was it Lawson Jaffe who asked you about the list?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Lawson, Phil Jasser, Herb and Morton Pasol had asked me. So in other words, they all knew I had been up there that morning to get this chair, and that apparently they all draw their own conclusions that I was the one who had to pick up that list. And this went on, I know, for a long time after I had picked that list up.
Mr. Griffin.
Was there anything about that list which would indicate that they might have all been members of some other group that wasn't a Communist group? For example, that they could nil have been members of the same synagogue, it could have been a church affiliated group?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No, there was nothing on the paper to indicate what it was
about, or what they were members of. To my knowledge there wasn't, unless it would have been on one of the other pages. Like, I say, I didn't go through them.
Mr. Griffin.
But Sam Jaffe inquired about this list?
Mr. Fehenbach.
Yes, Sam wanted to know, he said they are going to get a little unhappy with you because they think you have taken those papers from up there in the hall, and I said, "Well, Sam, I didn't see them when I was up there."
Mr. Griffin.
Well now, don't you think that--let me ask you this. Did Sam Jaffe indicate that he had anything to do with that list?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No. He was, I think, more or less trying to find out if I had the list and if I would give these papers back to him he would see they would get back to them and they would leave me alone. I think this was the only reason why Sam wanted the list or these papers, as they kept referring to them. They never referred to them as a list, but said papers.
Mr. Griffin.
Were there any other papers up there beside the list of names?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No; I didn't see them.
Mr. Griffin.
Go ahead, you were going to say something.
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Actually, I feel if I had had them as rough as some of them were getting about it and as nasty as they were getting about it, I would have
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