Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

And he was very wonderful to them.
As a matter of fact, I believe it was that Friday, it was extremely hot. It simply was 107 and there was a swimming pool attached, you know, with the apartment.
They wanted to go swimming and I asked him if he would take them because I don't swim, and I didn't even have a bathing suit and he wouldn't.
He said, "No." He said, "Some child was drowned, I believe, in a private swimming pool somewhere, not too long before that and they--no children were allowed in the water unless they are with a lifeguard."
I think most of .these apartments are rented to adults and I really wanted--I said, "Well, you are a good swimmer." I said, "You will watch them."
He said, "No, I wouldn't take that chance."

Mr. Griffin.

Did you notice whether he had any books or magazines or things like that in the apartment?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Oh, nothing outstanding, maybe pictures of strippers, something like that.

Mr. Griffin.

Paperback books, did he have any of those?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No. I--I mean--I didn't notice any. I don't think Jack read that type of thing.
I know he read this book, Exodus, by Leon Uris.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes. How do you know that?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Well, because he sent the book to my sister, Marion, and she gave it to me. He bought--it was so wonderful I think once he called just to tell us how wonderful it was.

Mr. Griffin.

When did he send that to Marian?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Oh, a couple of years ago, I think, when it first came out. As a matter of fact, I believe I have the book at home now.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

He was very much impressed by it.

Mr. Griffin.

Any other book's that he sent you?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No, not that I can recall, but I remember that because he spoke about it.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you remember his calling you on Friday--

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

(continuing). November 22, after the President was shot?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And do you remember approximately when that was in the afternoon?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Well, I couldn't tell don't remember exactly. I know it was after the President had--it had been announced that he had passed away.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, maybe we can reconstruct it by my asking you first of all where you were when you first learned that the President had been shot?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I was in the kitchen giving my children some lunch. They had both been home from school because they both had colds and then, I suddenly turned on the radio about 1 o'clock, and I heard the radio say something, the President has been shot and I--I just couldn't believe my ears and so, I ran in to turn on the television and I felt if there were any truth to it, you know, we'd be able to see something--see an announcer and really hear it.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

And it was true, of course.

Mr. Griffin.

And then, did you hear from Jack after that?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

After the President--after, I guess, it was announced that he had died.

Mr. Griffin.

Well now, the telephone records we have assembled indicate that he called you about 2 o'clock Dallas time which is--I guess it would be around 3 o'clock Chicago time.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Oh, yes. I didn't know exactly, but when the FBI questioned me, they thought it might be anywhere from 1:30 to 3 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

You remember that telephone call?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes, I do, very well.