Mr. Griffin.

He wanted you to sell them. You stared out to tell us about the twistboard.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And how Jack contacted you on the twistboard. Tell us what happened.

Mr. Rubenstein.

He wanted me to call on the department stores on the road. He says that is where they sell best. I would make about$3 a dozen which is a good deal, because if they start selling the reorders would come in automatically, the missionary work is hard, when you are making $3 a dozen on an item that sells for $1.69 that is a pretty good profit.

Mr. Griffin.

So you thought Jack's idea as far as pricing was concerned, he was talking about selling them for $1.69?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Retail, I think so.

Mr. Griffin.

Retail for somewhere less than $2?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And you would have made?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Three dollars a dozen.

Mr. Griffin.

Three dollars a dozen, which would have been how much on each item?

Mr. Rubenstein.

A quarter on each item.

Mr. Griffin.

Is that the normal?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; for a salesman, yes; that is about right. Especially for an item like that, I don't think it costs very much to make, to be honest with you. Two pieces of board, and some kind of a gimmick in the center in between.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. What was your response to that one?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I hadn't had a chance to take it out. It was shortly before the incident.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he send you anything else in connection with it besides the board?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Literature. I think I got some literature if I can find it. I have got the board home, that I can show you, with the original wrapper.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he ask you to advertise in any newspapers or anything for him?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I don't remember that.

Mr. Griffin.

Was it your intention to try to sell these and promote them?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I didn't ask him for the board. He just mailed it to me with all the literature after he spoke to me about it.

Mr. Griffin.

How many times did he speak to you about it?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't remember, several times, I would say.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he going to have a company name or anything that he was going to use?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What was it called?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Spartan; you see his nickname is "Sparky." He was going to call it Spartan Manufacturing and Promotional.

Mr. Griffin.

How did he get the nickname "Sparky"?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Fast, aggressive, quick thinker, always on the ball, you know, I imagine that is where he got the name.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't really know of your own knowledge?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; but how else would a fellow get a name "Sparky". Like a sparkplug, fast, you know, lightning.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack have occasion to call you in the fall of last year before November 22 for any reason other than about the twistboard?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; union trouble.

Mr. Griffin.

When did he call you about that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't remember the exact date.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us what he said to you and what you said to him about the union trouble.

Mr. Rubenstein.

I can't give you the exact words but I will come close to it. He wanted me to contact some people in Chicago who had connections with AGVA in New York, the president. I didn't know anybody so I started calling people. I called everybody in Chicago I knew. One of the fellows I called was