Mr. Griffin.

When was this?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

This was--well, I don't think it was too long before she passed away. I'd say, perhaps, that same year because she had been pretty sickly.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes. Well now, there was a time in the 1930's when your mother had considerable psychiatric difficulties and she was hospitalized?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack at that time give the family any help with her?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

What kind of help do you mean?

Mr. Griffin.

Well, did he---did he come back; did he take an interest of any sort in--

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I really don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I think when she was hospitalized, I think we were all together then, if I am not mistaken.

Mr. Griffin.

From the time that you returned from the foster home until you were married in 1947, did you live all of the time in the family home?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, during that period, do you recall the times that Jack lived in the home with you?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I can't recall the specific time but he did live home quite a bit of the time, and then there were times when he--when he didn't live home, when he lived with a boy friend or when he was old enough.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

He was out on his own.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, after he reached adulthood, well, let's take it from, say, 1929, when he would have been 18 until he went to California in 1933, do you recall how much of the time Jack lived in the home?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

When he went to California, you mean?

Mr. Griffin.

From 1929 to 1933; that is, from the time he was about 18 until the time he went to California in 1933, how much time did he spend in the home?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I can't recall.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, do you remember when he came back from California?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

It's rather vague.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I know when he was out in California, though, he took care of my sister, Eva, out there. She and her son.

Mr. Griffin.

Of your sisters, which ones--which one would you say has the most information about the family background; who would be most familiar with it?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Well, I think, perhaps, any of the three because, you see, the boys are between me and the sisters so there is enough age there for them to--

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Have that difference.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you think Eva--

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Eva might and Marion might. Probably, Eva would have as much as anybody, I think.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, do you have any recollection of your father living in the home with your mother until the time that he got sick and returned for a little while?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No, no; and I--you know, I am a little vague even about that time when he was sick. I am trying to think when--whether there was a time when--actually, a wall collapsed on him. You know, he had been a carpenter.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

And I don't know whether it was that time or some other time. It is all very hazy; very hazy.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, it sounds to me from what you are telling me that from