Mr. Knight.

During that time period; no. I saw him later at the trial Ruby. I didn't see him again.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there a man from KLIF down in the basement at the time Ruby shot Oswald?

Mr. Knight.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know who he was?

Mr. Knight.

Gary DeLaune. In fact he had a tape of it that KLIF still has.

Mr. Griffin.

Was a man by the name of Ken Dowe a member of the KLIF staff?

Mr. Knight.

Yes. He was the afternoon diskjockey. Ruby I think had called him Saturday afternoon a couple of times; yes. By the way, this just hit me. Ruby wanted McLendon to do an editorial about this whole thing.

Mr. Griffin.

About the assassination?

Mr. Knight.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When. Did he mention this to you?

Mr. Knight.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When was that?

Mr. Knight.

Saturday night when we were all talking together.

Mr. Griffin.

You mean early Saturday morning?

Mr. Knight.

Saturday morning.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he make this statement upstairs in the newsroom or when you were down on the landing talking to him?

Mr. Knight.

I think it was when were were out in the hall walking down to the landing. But he wanted Gordon McLendon to do an editorial, again I don't remember the exact words used, but I think against the elements in. Dallas that would bring something about; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Of course, what you are suggesting from the things you said here is that Ruby or at least the inference one can draw is that Ruby had the idea that radical elements in Dallas were somehow responsible. I take it by this we are talking about the rightwing radicals. Or were there leftwing radicals in Dallas also?

Mr. Knight.

Well, I'm not too familiar with the terms.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, the H. L. Hunt?

Mr. Knight.

Would be the rightwing.

Mr. Griffin.

Are these the people that Ruby had in mind?

Mr. Knight.

I would say so. Now, again, I--

Mr. Griffin.

I mean you got the impression when he was talking about the people in Dallas that had brought this about or that he had people in mind who were of H. L. Hunt's political persuasion?

Mr. Knight.

Yes,

Mr. Griffin.

Now, that we have been talking about it--

Mr. Knight.

The same people for instance that spat on Stevenson and hit him with a sign, the same element.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Ruby mention that?

Mr. Knight.

I wouldn't make a good detective, but it's in my--the back of my brain that he might have and he might not have.

Mr. Griffin.

Remember, it's a long time. And I don't want to put you in a position of saying something that is not accurate. I would much rather have you say that you don't remember.

Mr. Knight.

But I mean looking back on it, it's hard to figure what he actually told you and what you read about him after it happened because, naturally, you would read all these things and it's hard to piece out when at the time who would guess that he would do something like this.

Mr. Griffin.

Well---

Mr. Knight.

May I make a statement?

Mr. Griffin.

Sure.

Mr. Knight.

It's--again it's speculation.

Mr. Griffin.

All right

Mr. Knight.

But my wife and I both were talking about this, about Ruby's conduct, like he didn't really come out and say this or this Just seemed to sort of mixed up about the situation and the speech "Heroism" had been soiled and evidently had been used, and it wasn't the average commercial content and