Mr. Knight.

So he said; and by talking to him from time to time like at the Cotton Bowling Palace, he seemed to be a great admirer of our owner again, who put the editorials out, Gordon McLendon.

Mr. Griffin.

Were these political editorials?

Mr. Knight.

Sometimes; not all the time.

Mr. Griffin.

Was McLendon a person that Ruby would have put in the radical group?

Mr. Knight.

No; he greatly admired McLendon.

Mr. Griffin.

What was the basis of his admiration if you have any information?

Mr. Knight.

I would imagine because of his outspoken editorials that he did and the guy stood for a lot of good things.

Mr. Griffin.

Was McLendon substantially more outspoken than other radio-station owners?

Mr. Knight.

Well, he was the only one in Dallas radio. that did any editorializing; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What did Jack say to you that would indicate that he admired McLendon?

Mr. Knight.

Well, again I guess--see, Ruby had evidently listened to McLendon for years before I ever came in there, but just an overall, an overall thing. Just admired the way the guy took stands on things and the way he talked about them.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he actually mention these things?

Mr. Knight.

No; he didn't have to. It was known. He didn't, if you are getting to a point, he didn't mention any specific editorial that Gordon did that he admired. He seemed to admire the man as a whole.

Mr. Griffin.

Could his admiration for McLendon be in part affected by personal consideration that McLendon might have given Jack in plugging his Carousel Club, something like that?

Mr. Knight.

I don't think so because I think he paid for that because they were commercial spots.

Mr. Griffin.

What sort of things did McLendon speak out against?

Mr. Knight.

Take for instance after the assassination, he came to the defense of .the Dallas Police Department.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, how about before the assassination?

Mr. Knight.

Before? Of course, you know he ran for senator.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Knight.

And he thought there was waste in Government so to speak, but he never, never said anything against the Kennedy administration in his editorials. He always seemed to be a supporter of them. In fact he ran on the Democratic ticket himself.

Mr. Griffin.

Were there any civic projects that he came out strongly in favor of?

Mr. Knight.

Yes. There was a point they were going to tear down Love Field. It was trying to be decided ,to have one solid airport between Fort Worth and Dallas, or keep Love Field, which is in Dallas. He came out strongly, instead of having an airport between, he said Dallas needed her airport. That was one thing. There was feeling on that.

Mr. Griffin.

On the weekend of the 22d, and 23d, and 24th, were any special efforts made by the KLIF news staff to cover the events that were taking place in the police department?

Mr. Knight.

Oh, yes. We had a reporter on standby over there all the time.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, where were you on Sunday morning when Oswald was shot?

Mr. Knight.

Okay. I went home after my shift to midnight Saturday night and went to bed because I was supposed to drive down and pick up my wife Sunday morning in Corpus Christi. I debated what to do. I called her. She said, "Come ahead." She wanted to come home. I was driving to Corpus Christi, I guess on the outskirts of Waco, which is about 99 miles from Dallas. I was listening to the radio and I heard what Ruby did to Oswald.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, after you saw Ike Pappas on Friday night, did you ever see him again up until the time that Oswald was shot?