Mr. Griffin.

Can you recall some of the names of the people in that department?

Mr. Knight.

Frank Gleiber in sports. He doubles up in sports and news. There's a guy that was the head of the "After" Union down there. He was head of the news department. Ray somebody; I think.

Mr. Griffin.

Does anything in your experience suggest anything to you about why Ruby would have picked up such an advertisement in the first place?

Mr. Knight.

No; one more comment on my part. I mentioned to the FBI and too, I was actually subpenaed for the trial by Belli, Ruby's lawyer, which I didn't understand, which to me, the speech "Heroism," the people I told about it just seemed to kind of, OK, but no point was, I mean I was not asked to recall anything or really talk about it. They seemed to not think it was a very important part. And I thought it was. It seemed to me very important. But I did mention it, mentioned as much as I recall, but they didn't seem to be interested in it and I thought they knew more about--

Mr. Griffin.

Did Ruby say anything to you which would indicate whether or not he had actually read the radio script?

Mr. Knight.

No; but he told me to read it, and evidently he had read it.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he say anything to you which would indicate what his feeling was about the substance of that radio script?

Mr. Knight.

No; there again is the hazy part He seemed to be giving it to me for me to read it just to get my impressions of it.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any impression that he was looking for you to tell him whether he should agree or disagree with the content?

Mr. Knight.

That is a possibility.

Mr. Griffin.

What was said that might indicate that to you?

Mr. Knight.

Well, for the simple matter of him not being yes or no about it. He just like, here's the speech, read it. He didn't seem to have any, although at the time I assumed that--I feel like I'm talking in circles--I assume that he did or had read it and did not agree with this theory that was portrayed in the copy of "Heroism" but wanted to see what my reaction to it would be.

Mr. Griffin.

What made you think he didn't agree with it?

Mr. Knight.

See, I'm speculating; I don't know. That was my first reaction. And then we just broke up after that. I went my way and in fact I think I went back up to the station and he went out to his car.

Mr. Griffin.

Had Ike Pappas left at the time you walked out?

Mr. Knight.

No; I think Pappas was still there when I left. I'm sure he was.

Mr. Griffin.

All right; did anybody else come up to the station with Pappas?

Mr. Knight.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you do anything else that night?

Mr. Knight.

No; I went straight home.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do the next day?

Mr. Knight.

The next day? Well, let me see. I think I slept; I went home and took myself something to eat, it must have been 4:30 or 5 that morning, and went to bed and didn't get up until--I had received a call at 9 o'clock that morning from a news friend of mine from Kansas City, and I was up, maybe just about a minute; I went back to sleep and didn't wake up until 3 or 4 that afternoon.

Mr. Griffin.

Then what did you?

Mr. Knight.

Turned on television; laid around the house. I have to go in at 6 on Saturday night, 6 to midnight.

Mr. Griffin.

Had Ruby called you by the time you went to the station?

Mr. Knight.

No; he didn't call me at the house. I guess he didn't even know my number. So I got to the station about 6. And, of course, we had, had gone, we were top 40 so to speak, play the hit records. We were playing albums. And I didn't have anything to do except cut in with the station breaks and news items that pertained to the situation. And I guess it was between 6 and 8 sometime, I didn't pinpoint it. Ruby called and wanted to talk to me. He called the newsroom and wanted to talk to me. So I talked to him and I got on the phone, right when I got on the phone a break was coming after the record, and I said, "I have to go, I can't talk."