Mr. Griffin.

Oh. As you walk in off the street you can either walk up or down ,but you can't walk straight into the police department?

Mr. Knight.

Where you walk up the Steps and walk in. And he was about 10 feet up, 10 feet back up the steps or so, talking to some people just generally milling around that I didn't know.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mr. Knight.

I think, I am sure this is it. He overheard me ask where Wade was and then he said, "I'll show you." So I said, "Okay." Then we went down in the .basement. Now, I had never met Henry Wade before. Of course, I had heard of him. We went to the basement. Jack Ruby pointed out Henry Wade. Wade at that time was Standing by himself, had just got through with an interview with another reporter. Wade pointed out, or Ruby pointed out Wade, and he told Henry Wade who I was and Wade's reaction was, "Oh, the Weird Beard," which I am known on radio. "The Weird Beard, my kids listen to you," or something to that effect all the time. Ruby again spoke up before I had a chance to say anything and asked if he would grant an interview with me. Wade said, "Of course." Now, a point that I don't think I---on the phone they told me to make some notes, from Washington.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Knight.

And I don't think I have told this point to the FBI or anybody before. I don't think. I'm not sure. Ruby was insistent that I ask Wade if Oswald were insane. And he asked that, he told me to ask him that question at least twice.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did he tell you this? When you were up on the main floor or--

Mr. Knight.

On the way down. On the way down because I told him I wanted an interview and so forth and this slipped out.

Mr. Griffin.

What was your response to Ruby?

Mr. Knight.

At the time?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Knight.

Negative. I wondered what he was doing there but it wasn't. I couldn't question, I mean I didn't know because there were a lot of people milling around.

Mr. Griffin.

What I had in mind, when Ruby said to you "Ask him if Oswald is insane," did you have any response to Ruby?

Mr. Knight.

Oh, yes. "Okay," I said, "That's a point well taken," or something to that effect.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Ruby have any other things he wanted you to ask?

Mr. Knight.

No; that was the thing.

Mr. Griffin.

Up to the time that you saw Wade, had Ruby said anything to you about the assassination?

Mr. Knight.

Not at that time; no.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you had any discussion with him about anything other than the interview with Henry Wade up to that point?

Mr. Knight.

Nothing of significance; no.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he tell you that he had closed his clubs at that point, that you recall?

Mr. Knight.

No; he didn't mention his clubs at all.

Mr. Griffin.

When you first saw Ruby up on the main floor, do you recall who he was with?

Mr. Knight.

He was by himself.

Mr. Griffin.

Standing, actually standing alone some place?

Mr. Knight.

As I say, I had the impression he had been talking because there were other people around, but at the time I did see him, on the first visual contact. he was standing by himself.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall how he was dressed on that day?

Mr. Knight.

No. I--it's silly. It's either a brown suit or a blue coat and I couldn't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Go ahead then, pick it up from where you were.

Mr. Knight.

All right. I did interview Wade. I did ask him a question about insanity and he said--I have the tape some place but I don't know where it is. I looked for it, the interview itself, and I couldn't find it. But the