Mr. Knight.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he give you at any time a membership card or say that he was going to make you a member of the Carousel Club?

Mr. Knight.

No; because it was an open club anyway.

Mr. Griffin.

Where were you at the time that President Kennedy was killed?

Mr. Knight.

I was home, asleep, at my address on Barnsbridge Road in Dallas, taking a nap that afternoon, and my wife was in Corpus Christi. And she heard about it before I did and she called me on the phone and told me the original news. That's the way I heard about it.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do after you heard that the President had been shot?

Mr. Knight.

Well, the first thing I did was turn on the radio. Then I finished with--what would you do? I paced the floor and so forth.

Mr. Griffin.

I am trying to trace where you went.

Mr. Knight.

I didn't go to anyplace at that time because I didn't have to go to work till 7. My shift was 7 till midnight. My wife and kids were down in Corpus Christi visiting her mother. I was there by myself. So I just stayed there at my home on Barnsbridge until I went to work that night.

Mr. Griffin.

What were the hours that you were to work that particular night?

Mr. Knight.

Well, as every night, 7 to midnight.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any contact with Jack Ruby between 7 and midnight?

Mr. Knight.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have some occasion to have contact with him afterward?

Mr. Knight.

I talked to him after midnight; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us hew you first had occasion to talk with him.

Mr. Knight.

Okay. May I do it my own--

Mr. Griffin.

Sure.

Mr. Knight.

All right. I got through my shift at midnight. We were trying .to get an interview with District Attorney Wade for the following morning's newscast. By that time the newsmen had been up all day and it was 1 a.m. in the morning and they had gone home with the exception of Glenn Duncan who was covering the news from ,the post at the station and could not leave the radio station. So he told me to go to the courthouse and if I could get a hold of Wade---Wade had Called and said he had granted his last interview of the evening--but he said if you get over there right fast you might get him. And the courthouse was only three blocks from our radio station.

Mr. Griffin.

Duncan told you a call had been made?

Mr. Knight.

Duncan I think had actually talked to Wade on the air about 20 minutes or so but didn't get what he wanted and didn't get it on tape for the early morning newscast. In other words, he wanted me to go over and get another interview with a special little tape recorder for the early morning newscast.

Mr. Griffin.

Before you went over there, did Duncan tell you anything about having talked to Jack Ruby?

Mr. Knight.

No, no. Ruby had called but this is later on in the story.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Go ahead. Then tell us what happened.

Mr. Knight.

I went over to the courthouse, arriving there approximately I a.m. It could be 10 ,before, 10 after, 15 after. I didn't get to see Wade. I looked for him and I couldn't find him, went to the second floor, came back, down to the main floor. There on the main floor I encountered Jack Ruby.

Mr. Griffin.

Whereabouts was he on the main floor?

Mr. Knight.

He was near the entrance and I was getting ready to leave and he was ranging around the entrance talking to other people, and he saw me and recognized me. And I--

Mr. Griffin.

Let me interrupt you and ask you, by the main floor do you mean the floor on which the assembly room and records room are located, or do-you mean the floor above that?

Mr. Knight.

No; I mean the main entrance, night near the entrance right off the street.