Mr. Griffin.

How about Jack, was he questioned at the same time?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Jack was in the Army.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't have any recollection of his being questioned?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Jack was never in Dallas before in his life. He didn't know nothing about Dallas. He never met Jones. I met Jones through Eva.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't ever remember meeting Jones with Jack?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I told you Jack did not know Jones.

Mr. Griffin.

Well now, if the record showed differently, would you think you might be mistaken?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I am almost positive. Because this was before Jack went down there.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember a time when Jack was living at the Sherman Hotel?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. When was that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

When he came out of the Army.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall if during part of the period when he was living at the Sherman Hotel he also went down to Dallas for a while to see Eva?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't remember that.

Mr. Griffin.

Incidentally, when Jack was in Chicago were there times when he did not live with the family?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; when he stayed at the Sherman Hotel.

Mr. Griffin.

Any other time?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Either the Sherman or the Congress, one of the two hotels I know he stayed.

Mr. Griffin.

For how long was he living in a hotel?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know, after he got out of the service.

Mr. Griffin.

Why was it that he was not living with the family?

Mr. Rubenstein.

He had sold out his business to my brother Earl or part of his interest to my brother Earl, and he had some money, and so he felt he wanted to live by himself for a while, which is all right. I mean he was no kid any more, he was a man.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there room for him at home?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any contact with Jack during the fall of 1963 prior to the time that the President was assassinated?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us about your contact with Jack?

Mr. Rubenstein.

In the fall of 1963. Let me tell you when the first time was. He called me on the phone, the records you get from the telephone company, and he is going to send me up---he wanted me to come down and become his manager of the Carousel Club.

Mr. Griffin.

When was this?

Mr. Rubenstein.

In the fall, sometime in the fall of 1963 and he also told me in 1962 he wanted me to come down--

Mr. Griffin.

Let's talk about this being the manager first before we get into the other thing.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Why did he need a manager?

Mr. Rubenstein.

He wanted someone in the family to run the place.

Mr. Griffin.

What was he going to do?

Mr. Rubenstein.

He was going--he used to come down later. Jack did not come down early. A manager has got to be there from 4:30 until closing. Jack used to come down around, I understand, nine or ten o'clock in the evening. Probably he belonged to a couple of the clubs there, I understand he was a member of the YMCA and the Dallas Athletic Club I think he was a member of---maybe even had a girl friend or two, I don't know.
Anyway, he asked me to come down and be the manager. I could not see working in a place 7 days a week, I couldn't stand the noise in the striptease
joints, those brassy bands, you know. I know right away that was out.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you having trouble at that time making a living?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I had a good job. I was making good money.