Mr. Pullman.

I sold some, I'm sure, and he sold most of them. Any time he came down there, he sold some.

Mr. Griffin.

How many did you sell?

Mr. Pullman.

Oh, I sold about a dozen--as a matter of fact, he didn't know how to go about handling the thing.

Mr. Griffin.

In what way?

Mr. Pullman.

I suggested to hint to try to set up a mail order program on them, and that's where he got that box number.

Mr. Griffin.

That's where he got what?

Mr. Pullman.

That's where he got that box number that they are all talking about.

Mr. Griffin.

You suggested it?

Mr. Pullman.

That he try to sell them mail order, you see, and he asked me about using the name of Earl, Earl Products before we went into the show, because I wanted to have some sort of sign at the display by who was showing the twistboards, so we discussed that at first and he said, "Earl Products," and he didn't have an address except his home address and I suggested he should use his name and then get a box number and do a mail order business that way and get started.

Mr. Griffin.

Was your promotion at the Texas Product Show a mail-order type of promotion?

Mr. Pullman.

No, no; just an exhibit. It was just an exhibit.

Mr. Griffin.

But, in there in that exhibit was there a reference to mail orders?

Mr. Pullman.

No, it was just an exhibit of ideas--an exhibit of all new kinds of new inventions, and this was a new idea that come up.

Mr. Griffin.

In the advertising you did for it at the Texas Product Show, was there a reference made to a post office box number?

Mr. Pullman.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

And, the post office box did not come up until after the Texas Product Show was over?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, it was--I don't recall whether it was after or before. He was trying to figure out how to handle the sale of them--whether he would go direct to the stores and sell them because some of the stores already had some similar ones, and that's why, I believe, he decided to go on a mail order.

Mr. Griffin.

How was he going to promote it through the mail--through somebody's catalog or through direct mail solicitation?

Mr. Pullman.

Through direct; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know if he made any efforts to do it?

Mr. Pullman.

I don't know. I didn't know anything about that afterward. You see, I hadn't seen .him. After the show closed he came in and picked up his things and that was the last time I actually saw him.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack ever tell you about plans for manufacturing the twistboard himself?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us about that.

Mr. Pullman.

Well, it was just when he was trying to get some idea from me since I was a furniture man, or was, because the twistboard has some kind of a swivel device in there that we use in swivel chairs, and he wanted to get some ideas about it, whether it would be better off for him to manufacture them or let someone else make them and contract them, but he never went any further than that with me. He wanted my ideas about actually making it, fabricating the whole thing, and buying and getting the parts and assembling it.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you suggest to him?

Mr. Pullman.

I just would let them stay where they are with the people that were making them, really running them, and see how they go over first, and then eventually go on his own.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you make that suggestion before the Texas Products Show, during, or after?

Mr. Pullman.

It was during the show. You see, I didn't know about this--I hadn't seen him up until the Tens Product Show.