Mr. Griffin.

In calling you, we are particularly interested in any information that you might have about the activities of Jack Ruby on November 22, 1963, and November 23 and 24, including various other people that we know who were in contact with him and also some background information of Jack Ruby in terms of the various enterprises of his in at least one or two of which I understand you were associated in with him.

Mr. Pullman.

Yes; that's right.

Mr. Griffin.

And also, perhaps, some general insights to the kind of person Mr. Ruby was.

Mr. Pullman.

How did you happen to get my name---I know I spoke to the FBI at the time.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; you were interviewed by the FBI, and other people that we have talked to have indicated that you, perhaps more so than any others, knew Jack pretty well?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, I knew him pretty well; he used to be at my house occasionally and I had an insight to his personal character.

Mr. Griffin.

Then, let me ask you at this point if you will raise your right hand and be sworn. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Pullman.

I do.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you state your full name for the record, please?

Mr. Pullman.

Edward J. Pullman.

Mr. Griffin.

Where do you live, Mr. Pullman?

Mr. Pullman.

5454 Anita.

Mr. Griffin.

Is that in Dallas?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When were you born?

Mr. Pullman.

July 12, 1928--no; that's July 28, 1912.

Mr. Griffin.

What is your occupation?

Mr. Pullman.

I am a furniture designer and consultant--games, ideas, promotions--anything for the public; creative ideas for games and so forth.

Mr. Griffin.

How long have you been in that business?

Mr. Pullman.

Oh, about 30 years.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any formal training in that?

Mr. Pullman.

No; I just learned it all.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you self-employed?

Mr. Pullman.

I am working for a company right now.

Mr. Griffin.

And whom do you work for?

Mr. Pullman.

I'm working for Freed Furniture Co.

Mr. Griffin.

And were you working for them at the time I have mentioned?

Mr. Pullman.

No; I just started with them. I was just working for my-self--I have just started with them.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have a family?

Mr. Pullman.

My wife and daughter and children.

Mr. Griffin.

When, approximately, did you first meet Jack Ruby?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, I met Jack--oh, I'd say several years ago, but I never had any real contact with him, but I had heard a lot about Jack, but I never had any contact with him until 1963, and that was in the summer.

Mr. Griffin.

How did Jack happen to make contact with you at that time?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, my wife was the one that I got in contact with him on, because she went to help in the night club. She used to be the manager of the Theatre Lounge.

Mr. Griffin.

Your wife was the manager of the Theatre Lounge?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she meet Jack as a result of that?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, no; she had left the Theatre Lounge and she wanted to get something to do and she was told that Jack was looking for someone to help him and she was up there and he got her started working. She actually wasn't working in a true sense of the word because he was never sure of what he wanted. What she could do for him--he couldn't put anything right