Mr. Rubenstein.

No. Leave me tell you about Dallas, Tex. I mean anybody that Jack knew when Jack came up to Chicago maybe once every 4 or 5 years. "Come down to Dallas, I have got a proposition for you." "Come down to Dallas, I have a proposition for you." Everybody he wanted to come down that he wanted to have a friend down there, that was the kind of a guy he was, or else have a place for him to stay, he probably would have a job for them, or if a proposition come up that this fellow could handle Jack would fix him up for it. That was the kind of guy Jack was; you never go hungry with Jack.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know a fellow in Chicago named Frank Howard?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; never heard the name.

Mr. Griffin.

Jack Howard?

Mr. Rubenstein.

The musicman?

Mr. Griffin.

Is that who he is?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know, that is the only Jack Howard that I remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us how you knew him?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I can't tell you nothing. I don't know him that well; no.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack know him?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember Jack being in the music business?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I don't.

Mr. Griffin.

Selling sheet music or anything like that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

That is the guy that Jack counted sheet music; that is the guy.

Mr. Griffin.

Did your brother Jack sell sheet music?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know a man named Irwin Berke?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Never heard of him.

Mr. Griffin.

Or Sam Chazin?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Never heard of him.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know a fellow by the name of Paul Labriolla?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Needlenose; I seen his name in the paper. I never met him.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Hershey Colvia?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Hershey was an Army buddy of Jack in Mississippi, and Hershey is a gambler by profession, and he now is a bartender on the north side of Chicago. That is about all I can tell you.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us what you mean by a gambler by profession.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Well, years ago when everything was open in Chicago, like certain communities were. He is a professional gambler. He dealt cards or he run a crap table, or he was in that particular line. Maybe he booked horses; I don't know. But I know Hershey.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Jimmy Weinberg?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Never--I heard of him but I don't know him.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know Alex Gruber?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Never heard of him.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Mike Nemzin?

Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Oh, there is a nice guy. Mike is a nice guy, but Mike is not Jack's friend; he is Earl's friend.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Marty Eritt?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Rambler agency in Chicago; very well respected and a very nice guy.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he a friend of Jack or was he Earl's friend?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Both. I think Jack introduced him to Earl.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever loan Jack any money while he was down in Dallas?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I didn't. Earl did, I think.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Eva; did you ever lend her any money down in Dallas?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes. Eva went down there, I don't know, before the war. What she was doing down there I can't tell you, how she ever fell in love with that city that is her business. She came up to Chicago one year, and I had a little money hustling around like I told you, buying and selling things for