Mr. Griffin.

Was Jack Ruby the only nightclub operator who was trying to get the amateur nights stopped, or were there others?

Mr. Palmer.

Those who were not subscribing to it were not the least bit interested, in my area.
On the west coast, yes, there were other nightclub owners who were interested in having it stopped. I think this was essentially the time of the entire movement, but Jack was the only nightclub operator who was virtually trying to stop it.
Abe wanted, in his own words, to cease, but felt from a business standpoint that he had to continue. He said it was a burden. I can see where it would be to your regular show.
The Colony Club was situated so that it did not require this gimmick at anytime really to pep up business.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to ask you about some of Ruby's employees in particular. Was Tammi True an AGVA member?

Mr. Palmer.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Kathy Kay?

Mr. Palmer.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Little Lynn?

Mr. Palmer.

Not exactly. She had placed a down payment, and I don't believe she ever finished payment.
However, AGVA permits, as long as you are making a conscientious effort to pay your initiation dues, a 60- day period. During that 60 days, they can work on a temporary card type basis.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know why Kathy Kay did not return to work for Jack Ruby's club after Jack was arrested?

Mr. Palmer.

No. I know only that she said she was afraid to and wanted to get out of town. I understood that she was leaving town.

Mr. Griffin.

What was she afraid about?

Mr. Palmer.

I don't know. She was terribly upset, of course, about the assassination, as everyone was, and she did not confide in me as to the reason for this.

Mr. Griffin.

But she did talk to you about it?

Mr. Palmer.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When did she first come in and talk to you about it?

Mr. Palmer.

It was a Tuesday after the murder.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she come to your office?

Mr. Palmer.

I think she called. I remember seeing her in person but I can't recall whether it was in the office or in the coffee shop downstairs. No, it was in the office, because she had been into the office of Puppy Dolson's booking agent on the same floor with AGVA in the Interurban Building, and I believe, again I am not sure, I know it was in the Interurban Building or the immediate surroundings and she was inquiring as to her pay status because of this.
And of course, this being a new thing, I wanted to check it out. Mr. Paul, I was not aware, would take over the club at that time. So only after talking to him did I discover that yes, her contract would continue to be valid and there would be a club operating, and I advised her of this.
She said, "I don't care, I just want to get out of town. I don't like it."
This particular club clientele may not have been as selective as some of the other clubs in town, and there could have been many reasons. I know from her own verbal statements, that she had been requested to be convivial, which is above and beyond the requirements of an entertainer. However, she would not sign an affidavit to that effect, and frequently associations were continued independent of the club that would make her continuing there awkward to her.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know whether at that time she had a relationship of some sort with a Dallas police officer?

Mr. Palmer.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she mention that as any reason for not wanting to continue to work?

Mr. Palmer.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have any information that that was the reason?