Mr. Rubenstein.

when I went to high school there wasn't too many Jewish people there but we tried to belong. We tried to face it.

Mr. Griffin.

And your father; I take it from what you say, was very much this kind of a man that he didn't outwardly voice any feelings of sensitivity or separation because of the fact that he was Jewish in a--

Mr. Rubenstein.

I doubt it. I doubt if he would have said anything. No, not with him. But if you asked me that about somebody else in our family--

Mr. Griffin.

How about your mother?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No, no; I don't think she---she just wanted to look out for my welfare. My mother was very much interested in the welfare, how we got along, how we got along at school and how our progress was going with us in Chicago.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, I take it from what you say also that if your father had any family back in Europe once he came to this country he didn't maintain contact with them?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't think he ever got one letter. I don't remember ever hearing a word of his family in Europe; not one word. We would have known about it. If he heard anything about the family indirectly it was through somebody else. Somebody else from his home town might have gotten a letter and mentioned the fact that so and so--

Mr. Griffin.

Did he go into the service with any of his brothers?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Who?

Mr. Griffin.

Your father.

Mr. Rubenstein.

I told you there was only one member taken from a family.

Mr. Griffin.

The reason I ask you is I believe that in one of the newspaper articles about Jack's life that was serialized the story was told by the newspaper reporter that your father had Joined the service with his two brothers and that your father and his two brothers married your mother and her two sisters. Do you ever recall a story like that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Never. I don't even remember seeing the article. I don't think it is true.

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to ask questions about your mother's family then. Did your mother talk about her family background?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Except her father was a very important man in the community. He was like a doctor.

Mr. Griffin.

You say like a doctor

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know. That is the expression they used at home. I don't know. You know, you are going back 4 or 5 thousand miles, and that is the expression that was used.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; but I take it the words "like a doctor" were used which sort of indicated to you that maybe he wasn't quite a doctor or something similar to it.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Like a pharmacist?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Could have been. I know he went out and took care of people and my mother was called in to take care of the family when somebody was sick.

Mr. Griffin.

Your mother was?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Do you follow?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

My mother went along as a servant to take care of the needs of the family that was sick. Her father took care of the family in a medical way.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mr. Rubenstein.

That is the impression that I always had from the stories we gathered at home.

Mr. Griffin.

Did your mother spend her life around Warsaw, her early life?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I suppose, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall her talking about her life in Europe where she came from?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; I think Warsaw was her main life.