Mr. Cox.

No; I was taken directly to the street to control traffic and pedestrians out there.

Mr. Hubert.

Specifically, you did not see Ruby enter that building on that day?

Mr. Cox.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

In fact, I repeat, or you repeat you haven't seen him in some 8 or 9 years?

Mr. Cox.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't see him anywhere that day?

Mr. Cox.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

On this StOry which appeared in the Dallas Times Herald on Monday, November 25, on page A-35, which also, I don't believe it is a continuation of the previous story, because that previous story appears on page A-9, and the previous story by Joe Sherman seems to be concluded on that page. The reference to you in that same edition of the Dallas Times Herald on page A-35 seems to be a continuation of another story, and it refers to you in the same way, actually, that the previous story referred to you. I am unable to tell whether it is a story by Mr. Sherman or not, or whether it is a story by anyone else, but I ask you whether or not you know of any way other than through Sherman that the story on page A-35 could have been carried regarding you, to wit, that you had worked for him and that you said Ruby had a camera with him when he entered?

Mr. Cox.

You mean that would be in the Sunday paper, right?

Mr. Hubert.

No; that was the Monday paper.

Mr. Cox.

That would be the only way.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you never made any kind of statement concerning Ruby except the one you have referred to already and explained? That is, the one made to, or which was overheard by Sherman?

Mr. Cox.

That's right; definitely.

Mr. Hubert.

This may be repeating the point, but this second apparent interview which is on page A-35, makes the fiat statement that one police sergeant who worked for Ruby, and you are later identified as being that one, said that Ruby had a camera with him, indicating that you had seen him, and is it your opinion that this could only have come from the overhearing of your conversation with Kris by this writer called Sherman? Mr. COX. Definitely.

Mr. Hubert.

In any case, to get the record straight on it, you never saw Ruby enter with a camera?

Mr. Cox.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Nor did you in fact say that he did?

Mr. Cox.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, Sergeant Cox, anything else you want to comment?

Mr. Cox.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

There has been no conversation between us, I think, tonight other than that which was recorded, is that correct?

Mr. Cox.

That's right.

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Harold J. Fleming

Testimony of Harold J. Fleming

The testimony of Harold J. Fleming was taken at 3:45 p.m., on July 13, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Sam Kelley, assistant attorney general of Texas, was present.

Mr. Hubert.

This is the deposition of Mr. Harold Fleming. Mr. Fleming, my name is Leon D. Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of the general counsel of the President's Commission.