Mr. Cox.

Till after 11, I imagine.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did you stay until after the shooting?

Mr. Cox.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you there when the armored car came up?

Mr. Cox.

Yes; I held up traffic while that big one backed in.

Mr. Hubert.

What about the little one, where was it at that time?

Mr. Cox.

I believe the little one was parked against the curb; I believe it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it on the same side of the street?

Mr. Cox.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it past the Commerce Street entrance?

Mr. Cox.

Yes; it was past the Commerce Street entrance, because there was TV trucks sitting directly in front of the city hall on Commerce.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember what time you actually left your post of duty?

Mr. Cox. I wouldn't say.

Mr. Hubert.

About how long after the shooting did you leave?

Mr. Cox.

Maybe 20 minutes, until the crowd kind of dispersed.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you relieved by someone?

Mr. Cox.

No, sir; I mean there wasn't anything else to do when the crowd left.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Jack Ruby around that Commerce Street entrance at anytime?

Mr. Cox.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

On that day?

Mr. Cox.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Now there was a publication by a man named Joe Sherman of the Dallas Times Herald on November the 25th which indicated that you had seen him, which of course is contrary to what you have just told us. Could you explain anything about that?

Mr. Cox.

Yes; I will explain it to you. I was talking to a reserve captain in the basement. Let me think of his name. Captain Kris, I believe. We were talking about the thing happening, and also what people had said, and this news reporter went from there. In other words, that is the way he got it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you talk to this man, Joe Sherman?

Mr. Cox.

Yes. He came into the conversation. Asked me if I knew Jack Ruby, and I said I once worked for him at that night club, the Vegas Club, and that is how that thing got in the paper. As far as me saying he had been in the basement, or how he had been in there, that was just strictly his say.

Mr. Hubert.

For the record so we get it straight, let me read to you what he said, and then I am going to ask you if that is the truth or not.
Police Sgt. R. A. Cox said he once worked for Jack Ruby as a special officer in the night club he once operated on Oak Lawn. He said that Ruby had a camera with him or when he entered the basement in the Dallas police station Sunday morning. Did you tell that to Joe Sherman?

Mr. Cox.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Now I think you ,were about to explain.

Mr. Cox.

I told Kris somebody said "he even had a camera." That is how that happened. I didn't say that he had one. I said "someone said he had one."

Mr. Hubert.

Now at what time did this conversation with Kris occur which was overheard by Mr. Sherman?

Mr. Cox.

Well, it was after I came in out of the street.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you said you came in out of the street about 20 minutes after?

Mr. Cox.

About 20 minutes after; that's right.

Mr. Hubert.

You were standing where?

Mr. Cox.

In the basement. In fact, in that hall w. here it goes into the--

Mr. Hubert.

So that your point is, you did not say this to Kris, but this reporter just picked it up?

Mr. Cox.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

The police reporter just heard you saying something about a camera, but did not hear you say that the people or somebody was saying that he had a camera?

Mr. Cox.

That's right