Mr. Specter.

Could you have called him as late as 5:30 that afternoon?

Mr. Wall.

Yes, sir; it could have been.

Mr. Specter.

What did you do then the balance of that afternoon?

Mr. Wall.

Watched television.

Mr. Specter.

Did you watch television all the time up until the point when you left to go to Galveston?

Mr. Wall.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

What time did you arrive in Galveston?

Mr. Wall.

It would be 11 o'clock; somewhere around 11 o'clock.

Mr. Specter.

How far is it from Dallas to Galveston?

Mr. Wall.

I didn't make the call from Dallas to Galveston at 2--it must have been 5:30--because it only takes 4 1/2 hours.

Mr. Specter.

What is the distance?

Mr. Wall.

Around 200 miles.

Mr. Specter.

Did you make any stops en route?

Mr. Wall.

Only for gas.

Mr. Specter.

Where did you have dinner?

Mr. Wall.

We didn't have dinner. We don't ever eat when we drive to Galveston; just go straight on down.

Mr. Specter.

Did you eat when you arrived at Galveston?

Mr. Wall.

Yes, sir; we ate at the house.

Mr. Specter.

At Mr. McKenna's house?

Mr. Wall.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

What did you do after arriving in Galveston that night?

Mr. Wall.

Well, just as nearly, as quickly as we arrived is when we got a telephone call from Jack Ruby. After I talked to him we sat and visited and then went to bed.

Mr. Specter.

How long did the telephone call from Mr. Ruby last?

Mr. Wall.

I would say it couldn't have been more than only 5 minutes. Maybe 3 1/2 minutes.

Mr. Specter.

State, as precisely as you can recollect, exactly what Jack Ruby said to you and what you said to him during that telephone call.

Mr. Wall.

Well, he was having trouble with the union, or AGVA, and I had been elected the president of the council, newly elected president, and we had not even had a meeting yet but--I can't remember--he was having some sort of problems with his girls and the union was going to make him do something, which I didn't think was right. I told him I would help him out and make sure his case was presented correctly.

Mr. Specter.

What was the union trying to make him do?

Mr. Wall.

I don't recall. I really don't know but--I wasn't going to be on his side, but I was going to be sure it was presented correctly, that we would get his angle as much as the union's, the girl that was reporting him or whatever the circumstances were.

Mr. Specter.

Were you friends with Mr. Ruby at this time?

Mr. Wall.

Yes, sir. He was very upset the President was assassinated and he called Abe Weinstein or Bernie Weinstein, he called them some names for staying open Friday night.

Mr. Specter.

What club did they run?

Mr. Wall.

They--I don't know which one owns which. One owns the Theater Lounge and the other owns the Colony Club, and he was very upset that he had closed and they stayed open. He thought it wasn't right and he wanted to know when I would return to Dallas and I told him probably Monday or Tuesday and he said, well, when I got in to town would I call him, which I said I would. He asked how everything was. I told him fine and that was it.

Mr. Specter.

Can you recollect anything else he said during that telephone conversation?

Mr. Wall.

No, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Can you recollect anything else that you said to him during that call?

Mr. Wall.

Only if I told him why I left Dallas. He asked what I was doing in Galveston. I told him I Just wanted to get away for a couple of days.

Mr. Specter.

Did he mention Lee Harvey Oswald in that telephone call?