(Testimony of Jack L. Ruby)
Mr. Ruby.
3 days. This is the ironic part of it, that wouldn't it be a tremendous hoax, or certain people would probably believe it that way, that here's a fellow that didn't vote for the President, closes his clubs for 3 days, made a trip to Cuba, relayed a message from a person-- from Ray Brantley--look at circumstantially how guilty I am? If you want to put all these things together? Then, I happen to be down there, which is a million and one shot, that I should happen to be down there at that particular second when this man comes out of whatever it was--an elevator or whatever it was--all these things--plus the fact of the post office box and other rumors that they saw us together at the club--how can we give me the clearance that the ads I put in were authentic, my sincerity, my feeling of emotionalism were sincere; that that Sunday morning I got carried away after reading the article, a letter addressed to Caroline and then this little article that stated Mrs. Kennedy might be requested to come back and face the ordeal of the trial?
Also, if there was a conspiracy, then this little girl that called me on the phone in Fort Worth then is a part of the conspiracy. Do you follow me?
Mr. Specter.
I understand you, Mr. Ruby, but you have testified about most of this on the prior occasion, such as seeing the article in the newspaper, about the letter to little Caroline and about the necessity for Mrs. Kennedy to return, and we have formulated the questions concerning the major topics which we have of concern and have supplemented those topics in the questions to you. I think in all fairness that we have gone as far as we can on any of the substantive questions, and I want you to be satisfied, and the Commission wants you to be satisfied, and that's why I keep repeating the question--whether you have any other topic. I can see you are trying to recollect something else so that you will have covered everything in a conclusive way.
Mr. Ruby.
Yes.
Mr. Specter.
As soon as you are satisfied on that, I'm going to ask the other gentlemen a question, as I say, and as a matter of fact, I can do that now while you are still thinking.
I will ask Mr. Fowler if there is any other question that he would like to have asked of you at this time?
Mr. Fowler.
Sir, I know of no other questions that could be asked at this time.
Mr. Specter.
Mr. Tonahill, do you have any other questions you would like to have asked?
Mr. Tonahill.
No, I don't. I think it has been very, very comprehensive. From my knowledge of the background, I think if you asked Jack if he went to the Dallas Morning News that morning to attend to business and protested vigorously the ad insulting President Kennedy, if he protested because he's a 100 percent patriotic American citizen, I think he would. tell you "Yes" and he would be telling the truth.
I think if you asked him why he went out about 4 o'clock in the morning with George Senator and Larry and took that picture of the sign----
Mr. Ruby.
Don't mention anything about that--we're in a bad spot down here because of that.
Mr. Tonahill.
Of Chief Justice Earl Warren, he would tell you that he did it because he was going to turn it over to the FBI and some attorneys, because he thought it was un-American and he did it because he's a 100 percent patriotic American citizen, and he's telling the truth.
Mr. Ruby.
I also went over to the post office to check on the box.
Mr. Tonahill.
The same thing on-the box--to see there if the post office numbers on the sign and in the newspaper ad meant the same person was behind it, which would be the John Birchers and Communists both, and he wanted to do something about it because he's a 100 percent patriotic American citizen, he would be telling the truth.
Mr. Ruby.
I didn't know about the ad--you're talking about the ad against President Kennedy?
Mr. Tonahill.
Yes.
Mr. Ruby.
I didn't refer to the John Birch--with reference to that.
Mr. Tonahill.
He wanted to see if they were connected together--the same people.
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