Mr. Ruby.

"Yes".

Mr. Herndon.

The test is over. Will you sit still a moment. I will release the pressure on your arms. You may now move your hands and get the circulation back.
(Reporter's note: 4:12 p.m.)

Mr. Herndon.

I have no questions on that. Mr. Ruby came in here what time--originally?
COURT REPORTER. My notes indicate around 2 p.m.

Mr. Herndon.

How do you feel, Mr. Ruby?

Mr. Ruby.

Fine.

Mr. Herndon.

You're not tired?

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

Mr. Ruby, you are perfectly relaxed?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

As long as Mr. Ruby feels fine, I think we can continue and we can prepare the exact wording for the next series. You may wish to bring the other gentlemen in.

Mr. Specter.

All right, thank you.
Let the record show that Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill have returned to the room.
(Conference off the record between Messrs. Specter and Herndon regarding formulation of questions.)

Mr. Ruby.

Joe?

Mr. Tonahill.

Yes, Jack.
(Conference between Mr. Tonahill and Mr. Ruby from 4:13 to 4:15 p.m., out of the hearing of this reporter and others in the room.)

Mr. Alexander.

Jack, you are a good man.

Mr. Ruby.

Who, Bill?
(Conference between Mr. Alexander and Mr. Ruby from 4:15 to 4:18 p.m., out of the hearing of this reporter and others in the room.)

Mr. Specter.

Mr. Holman, what time do you feel Mr. Ruby? What time do you start the evening meal?
The JAILER. Well, we begin about 4:30 p.m.

Mr. Herndon.

Are you hungry, Mr. Ruby?

Mr. Ruby.

No, I'm feeling fine.

Mr. Specter.

Well, let's go ahead with this series of questions and then we will take about a 20-minute break.
(Conference between Mr. Alexander and Mr. Ruby from 4:22 to 4:25 p.m., out of the hearing of this reporter and others in the room.)

Mr. Specter.

All right, we are ready to go on to the next series of questions.

Mr. Herndon.

Do you feel all right, Mr. Ruby, at this time?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

We will now go to the first question of this next series, Ruby, and I will ask you these questions. I want to make sure you have a clear understanding of what they mean.
"Were you in the Dallas Police Department jail basement at the time Lieutenant Pierce's car drove out of the basement?"
Now, I see you are hesitating on that--I can rephrase it if you so like?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, no.

Mr. Herndon.

Let me go over it again, to make sure the question will be clear to you.
"Were you in the Dallas Police Department jail at the time Lieutenant Pierce's car drove out of the basement?"

Mr. Ruby.

If I can explain it---if I can elaborate on it, it will be easy to answer.

Mr. Specter.

Go ahead now, if it's all right with your counsel, so we can focus in on what concerns you.

Mr. Herndon.

Perhaps I might want to ask that other question first and he would find he might not have as much of a problem if I asked it first.

Mr. Specter.

Well, I prefer to stay with what we have now. I think we can. If it's all right to have him explain it, if it's all right with his attorney, I'd rather stay with that.