Mr. Ruby.

To serve time is when you refer to a man being in the penitentiary.

Mr. Herndon.

Now, there are a few questions I want to ask him with regard to that series.

Mr. Specter.

Go ahead.

Mr. Herndon.

Just two points I want to clarify for my own use here.
Mr. Ruby, I asked you, "Are you married?" and you replied "No." Could you tell me if anything went on in your mind at the time you responded "No"?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I was thinking of the young girl, that had I been married I wouldn't have been in this trouble. I guess that's what flashed back in my mind.

Mr. Herndon.

Is this a former sweetheart?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes. What else?

Mr. Herndon.

I just wanted to get your explanation at that particular point?

Mr. Ruby.

You noticed something there?

Mr. Herndon.

Did you feel anything?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I knew I wasn't--something was working on me when you asked me that. I would probably have been living in another part of the city, and I wouldn't have been involved in this.

Mr. Herndon.

Do you recall the girl's name?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes--Alice Nichols.

Mr. Herndon.

And how long ago was this that you were acquainted with her?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, for many years, and I guess we severed relations in 1959---"relations"--I meant our company.

Mr. Herndon.

That's the last time you were dating?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; we were engaged and so on.

Mr. Herndon.

You never actually married this young lady?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir. That's why you see me in a moment of despair--like I am.

Mr. Herndon.

Did you ever consider marrying her?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; yes.

Mr. Herndon.

All right, that clarifies that question for me. One other area I'd like you to speak frankly and freely on, and here again it gets back to this military service. I asked you, "While in the military service, did you ever receive any disciplinary action?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

Did you ever get in any trouble at all while you were in the service that came to your mind during that question?

Mr. Ruby.

When you say "trouble"?

Mr. Herndon.

Disciplinary action for trouble?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I have never been called down for anything. I may have had a brawl with another soldier.

Mr. Herndon.

Did you while you were in the service ever have a fight?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; but when you speak of "disciplinary" is when you go before a court-martial or the colonel calls you in or something happens.

Mr. Herndon.

Were you called in before the commanding officer?

Mr. Ruby.

Sure; but it's not important enough to answer. Evidently, you're getting a pretty good reading?

Mr. Herndon.

I'm having no technical difficulty with regard to giving the test.

Mr. Ruby.

I wish you would prove to my chief here, over there, how I stand with you (referring to Mr. Holman).

Mr. Herndon.

I want to study these very carefully, of course, but you have been very cooperative, as far as running the actual examination. That will complete series 3.

Mr. Specter.

Fine, I will call the gentlemen in.
Let the record show that Mr. Tonahill and Mr. Alexander have returned.

Mr. Herndon.

We will go on to another series now. I am going to run a little different type of examination, Mr. Ruby, if you still feel like you want to continue. Do you want to take a break?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, I want to go on completely.

Mr. Herndon.

You are not tired?