Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

All right, we will proceed.

Mr. Ruby.

That 30 days embarrasses me, because it was with reference to selling some song sheets back in the old depression days, and it wasn't for anything criminal. It was something that I didn't realize at the time there were copyrights on those songs. So, I don't want to become a felon just because---outside of what I am now.

Mr. Herndon.

Well, these questions, I don't mean to embarrass you, Mr. Ruby. I want to ask these questions because they're going to help me later on, and I want to get some of these other questions on your background. Was that in Chicago?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

When you explained about the song sheets?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I made a pretty good living at that time.

Mr. Herndon.

You still recall that and it embarrass you?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

I will be ready to start series 3 in a moment.

Mr. Specter.

All right, if Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill will leave the room, we will proceed with series 3.
May the record show that Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill are now absent.
(Reporter's note: 3:58 p.m.)

Mr. Herndon.

Of course, we have been moving around and talking, Mr. Ruby, I'm going to make a few minor adjustments here. Are you comfortable, sir?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

Now, I'm going to put this up a little higher on your chest, and I want you to lean back and relax. no you want to put your feet flat on the floor during the test, if you will.
All right. I again will tell you when we actually start the test. I'm going to put a little pressure on the arm, and once again, on these questions, if you will answer them simply "Yes" or "No" truthfully. Will you look straight ahead, please, sir.
(Reporter's note: 3:59 p.m.)

Mr. Herndon.

The test will now begin. Look straight ahead, Mr. Ruby.
"Is your last name Ruby?"

Mr. Ruby.

"Yes."

Mr. Herndon.

"Do you live in Dallas?"

Mr. Ruby.

"Yes."

Mr. Herndon.

"Between the assassination and the shooting, did anybody you know tell you they knew Oswald?"

Mr. Ruby.

"No."

Mr. Herndon.

"Are you married?"

Mr. Ruby.

"No."

Mr. Herndon.

"Aside from anything you said to George Senator on Sunday morning, did you ever tell anyone else that you intended to shoot Oswald?"

Mr. Ruby.

"No."

Mr. Herndon.

"Were you in the military service?"

Mr. Ruby.

"Yes."

Mr. Herndon.

"While in service did you receive any disciplinary action?"

Mr. Ruby.

"No."

Mr. Herndon.

"Did you shoot Oswald in order to silence him?"

Mr. Ruby.

"No."

Mr. Herndon.

"Have you ever served time in jail?"

Mr. Ruby.

Mr. Herndon.

The test is over. Sit still for a moment and we will release the pressure on your arm.
Do you feel a little better when I released that pressure?

Mr. Ruby.

When you elaborate on "serving time", 30 days isn't serving time.

Mr. Herndon.

I was going to ask you to explain that, and you followed instructions explicitly there.
Then, actually in explanation to that, this 30 days to you were insignificant?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, yes, but I explained that.

Mr. Herndon.

That's all right. I have to ask these questions.