Mr. Specter.

information out before going on with the test. Did you tell anyone that you intended to shoot Oswald?

Mr. Herndon.

You mean--before?

Mr. Specter.

Well, I don't know if we're going to get an answer to it or not.

Mr. Fowler.

Jack, now the question that is being directed to you at this time---well, go right ahead.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; Sunday morning.

Mr. Specter.

And whom did you tell?

Mr. Ruby.

George Senator.

Mr. Specter.

And where were you at the time you discussed it with him?

Mr. Ruby.

In my apartment.

Mr. Specter.

And state in as precise words as you can remember, just what you said to him and he said to you at that time?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, he didn't say anything--the funny part--he was reading the paper and I doubt if he even recalled me saying it. I have to elaborate on it, but I was so carried away emotionally that I said--I don't know how I said it---I didn't say it in any vulgar manner---I said, "If something happened to this person, that then Mrs. Kennedy won't have to come back for the trial." That's all I said. Now, would you mind asking me on that particular point? That happened Sunday morning. That's the only time any thought ever came to my mind, because that morning I read some articles in the newspaper that she would have to come back to trial.

Mr. Specter.

Did you ever say to anybody, "I am going to shoot Oswald," or anything to the effect that, "I am going to shoot or kill him"?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I just made the statement--that's the only thing I said.

Mr. Specter.

That statement you made to George Senator, that's the only thing that's the closest you came to saying it?

Mr. Ruby.

That Sunday morning before I left my apartment.

Mr. Specter.

Did you ever tell Randolph Paul you were going to shoot him?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't even know a Randolph Paul.

Mr. Specter.

How about Breck Wall?

Mr. Ruby.

I know I never said that to Breck Wall.

Mr. Specter.

Perhaps the name was Ralph Paul. Did you ever say it to Ralph Paul?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Now, let's prepare the question this way, if we may, Mr. Herndon: "Aside from anything you said to George Senator, did you ever tell anyonr you intended to shoot Oswald?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Specter.

Now, is that formulation acceptable for purposes of the test, Mr. Herndon?

Mr. Herndon.

I want to make sure I get it correct.

Mr. Specter.

"Aside from anything you said to George Senator, did you ever tell anyone else you intended to shoot Oswald?"

Mr. Ruby.

In the flippant way I said it, I doubt if he'd even--you know--the poor guy may not even have remembered it. We never discussed it after that.

Mr. Specter.

What was the exact time you recollect you said that to him?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't know--it was about 10:15 Sunday morning.

Mr. Specter.

Approximately?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, you know--10 minutes either way.

Mr. Specter.

All right, Mr. Fowler, we will phrase the question in that way, but that phraseology of the question carries certain implications which you understand.

Mr. Ruby.

May I repeat that question once more to make sure it's accurate?

Mr. Specter.

Mr. Alexander can come back in.
(Mr. Alexander at this time entered the room.)

Mr. Specter.

We have now formulated the question, Mr. Alexander, and Herndon will now read it, together with the other questions he intends to ask in this series.

Mr. Herndon.

The question is, "Aside from anything you said to George Senator, did you ever tell anyone else that you intended to shoot Oswald?"