Mr. Ruby.

But it's already in there. I've already told it to the Warren Commission.

Mr. Fowler.

Now, if there is an area that has been covered already and you still wish to go into it--I don't want this man-

Mr. Ruby.

So, would you mind calling Alexander in?

Mr. Fowler.

Listen, Jack, will you please listen to me? This man got up down there and asked the jury to send you to the electric chair.

Mr. Ruby.

I know it.

Mr. Fowler.

He has not changed his opinion yet, and he will again ask it at some later date. Now, is this the kind of man you want to pussyfoot around in here with and let listen to these questions? Just "Yes" or "No"--if it is--we'll bring him back in.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I want him in here, and I want you to ask him to come in, please.

Mr. Fowler.

I won't ask him to come in.

Mr. Ruby.

Joe, ask him to come in.

Mr. Tonahill.

No; Clayton is your chief counsel and I'm going to respect his desires.

Mr. Ruby.

Chief--I know.

Mr. Specter.

Well, I will ask him to come in, Mr. Ruby. I'm willing to bring him back, if that's your request.

Mr. Fowler.

I would like this record to reflect that this is against the advice of his attorneys present, and that it will be very detrimental to, No. 1, his appeal, No. 3, for the actual trial of the case on the merits, if such ever occurs.

Mr. Specter.

Mr. Ruby, the Commission can proceed and conduct this test and not bring him back. I want you to be clear on that point, that these men do not have to be here for the purposes of getting this information for the Commission, so we will know all the facts, or for the purposes of conducting this test. So, it's really, extraneous. It doesn't really matter for them to be in here for the tests.

Mr. Fowler.

Jack, why do you want them back?

Mr. Ruby.

Because I happen to know what I'm talking about.

Mr. Tonahill.

Now, Jack----

Mr. Ruby.

Joe, you're not my attorney any more. We know it. We understand one another, please. You're not helping me.

Mr. Fowler.

Let's just direct our attention right now, Jack, to the things that are near to you. Why do you want Mr. Alexander here?

Mr. Ruby.

I feel I don't want him to think I'm holding out on anything. I don't want him to have any idea that I'm reluctant to answer things in front of him, believe me.

Mr. Fowler.

Listen, at some future date yes. Perhaps in a trial, another trial, yes. When you are on the witness stand, if you are able to go to the witness stand, perhaps these questions will be directed to you at that time, and you can make a full disclosure before a jury, but I respectfully request that you do not do it in the presence of a district attorney.

Mr. Ruby.

But Clayton, they know all these questions already. Henry Wade, I spoke to, and I told him all this.

Mr. Fowler.

Well, if he knows them already, then why not just let him stay out? You're not trying to impress him, are you? Do you think that he can do anything to help you right now?

Mr. Ruby.

No, no; but the thing is that I have a few other thoughts in mind, as you well know about.

Mr. Fowler.

What are they, Jack?

Mr. Ruby.

That I spoke to you about for your consideration.

Mr. Fowler.

Jack, I'm not worried, I'm not concerned about anybody trying to do away with me. This is the least of my worries. Nobody has threatened me about this thing. Nobody has coerced me in any way.

Mr. Ruby.

I want harmony, that's what I want. I want harmony with you and the district attorney's office.

Mr. Fowler.

Well, we can't harmonize over your situation, I'm sorry.

Mr. Specter.

Well, the point we got to was the question of getting the substantive