Mr. Herndon.

"Were you born in Chicago?"

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

Now, this next question I'm going to ask you, you don't have to answer it now. You can discuss it with me later or you can wait and decide what you want to answer to it. "Did you ever make a false official statement?"
Now, that's a general question and I realize that, Mr. Ruby, and when I ask that question, obviously your mind probably went back to many things. We make a lot of official statements. Now, I'm asking that question in its broadest terms. In other words, to your recollection, have you ever made a false official statement?

Mr. Ruby.

When you say "official"--for instance, in order to have a job years ago---I want to explain this to you. In order to work in a department store, I had to use another name because this other person would be the right age that I could work, but outside of that, officials--to any authorities--I haven't.

Mr. Herndon.

Obviously, this department store thing came to your mind when I asked that question?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

Well, sir, I'm glad you brought that out so I will have an understanding that that was in your mind. What I mean here, however, is something more in the nature of an application for a license, an application for a permit, an application for insurance anything that would come within the jurisdiction of being somewhat a legal or semi-legal form or application?

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

I want to make sure you understand what I mean by that question.
Then, I'll probably ask, I understand you were born in 1911, is that correct?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

These are questions of identity--"Were you born in 1911?"
Now, let me see, gentlemen, if we have gone over all the questions. I have gone over all the questions with Mr. Ruby that I'm going to ask for this next series.

Mr. Specter.

All right, prior to the administration of the second series, Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill are now leaving the room again.
May the record show that Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill have now departed from the room.
(Reporter's note: 3:20 p.m.)

Mr. Herndon.

All right, now just relax. Can I get you a drink of water or anything, Mr. Ruby?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I'm perfectly all right.

Mr. Herndon.

All right, very fine. Once again, if you will try to refrain from moving, simply look straight again, and sit perfectly still and answer the questions "Yes" or "No." I again will tell you when I am going to begin, Mr. Ruby.
Now, are you relaxed? Are you OK?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

How does your arm feel? I noticed you had a little bit of pressure there around the cuff. Is the circulation all right?

Mr. Ruby.

Fine.

Mr. Herndon.

You feel fine?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

It will take me a moment again here to get the instrument adjusted. Before I put any pressure on the cuff, Mr. Ruby, I'm going to just tighten this up just slightly, do you want to move up just a moment? Does that bind you in any way or is it too tight [checking tube around Mr. Ruby's chest]?

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

All right, now just lean back relax. All right, sir. Now, we're getting a better tracing. All right, I am going to now put a little pressure on and I will tell you when I am going to begin.
(Reporter's note: 3:23 p.m.)