Mr. Herndon.

You consider that was a misdemeanor?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, yes; in other words---a $25 fine. I never have been in any criminal activity.

Mr. Herndon.

Very fine. Does your arm feel all right now?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

Very good. We have finished with the first series.

Mr. Specter.

I am now going to ask Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill to return between now and the time we start on the next test.
May the record show that Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill are back in the room.

Mr. Herndon.

Did the cardiounit disturb you at all other than just a slight tingling sensation?

Mr. Ruby.

In this arm here [indicating left arm]?

Mr. Herndon.

Did that bother you before the series No. 1 group?

Mr. Ruby.

No; that's fine.

Mr. Herndon.

Mr. Ruby, you are now a veteran of the first series. You did real well. You cooperated very fine.
Now, we will proceed with series No. 2. I want to go over these questions with you so that you and I understand precisely and perfectly what they mean.

Mr. Ruby.

All right.

Mr. Herndon.

Now, in this series of questions, I am going to ask as one of the ones which is pertinent in this investigation, "Are you now a member of the Communist Party?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

You don't have to answer that if you don't want to now, but I'm going to ask you that question, sir.

Mr. Ruby.

OK.

Mr. Herndon.

You understand what I mean by that--that's about as short and sweet as we can get it.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

I'm going to ask you, "Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?"
Mr. RUBY, No.

Mr. Herndon.

You understand the difference--one is now and one is--have been perhaps sometimes in your youth or life if you were affiliated with the Communist Party.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I understand.

Mr. Herndon.

I'm going to ask you this question, Mr. Ruby: "Are you a member of any group that advocates the violent overthrow of the United States Government?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

Do you understand that question?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Herndon.

I'm going to ask: "Have you ever been a member of any group that advocates the violent overthrow of the United States Government?"

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

It's very similar, only it's in the past tense.

Mr. Specter.

Mr. Ruby, on these two questions--we can't go through all of those groups which advocate the overthrow of the United States Government, so we are generalizing with respect to them.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

You have indicated you understand them?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; and my answer is "No--no collaborating."

Mr. Specter.

I didn't think it is necessary to elaborate on that.

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Herndon.

All right, in addition to those questions, I'm going to ask you a relatively simple question as this, that you should be able to answer "Yes" or "No." "Were you born in the United States?"

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.