(Testimony of Jack L. Ruby)
Mr. Specter.
to the Commission and will be carefully studied by the Commission before any final decision is reached.
With respect to a list of questions, the procedure as previously outlined will permit all parties to be present when the questions are enumerated, so that the questions asked of Mr. Ruby will be a surprise to no one, but will be discussed in his presence and in the presence of representatives of both the district at- office and Mr. Ruby's defense counsel, so that there is no limitation to the taking of notes on the questions that may be asked.
With respect to the results, including a copy of the results themselves and a copy of the interpretation, no commitment can be made until the Commission has examined the results in this matter fully.
With respect to affecting the outcome of any subsequent proceedings, the Commission has exercised the greatest possible care in avoiding the influencing the State court proceedings.
The action taken by the Commission has been designed to fulfill its function, while at the same time not interfering, or interfering to the minimal possible extent, with the State court proceedings. Now, before we get Mr. Ruby in, do you want to make a request for his doctor; and when we get Mr. Ruby in, we will make the other statement and then we will be able to go ahead, but I don't think we want to go through any more with him present than we have to.
Mr. Tonahill.
Yes; it is requested that Dr. William Beavers, who has been by Jack Ruby's family to observe and treat Jack Ruby, be present during the examination in order that he may observe and render any expression that he may have to offer that will be of benefit to the Commission as well as to Jack Ruby's mental health condition, with special reference to interpreting the results of the polygraph tests, and as an aid and guide to the Commission in its interpretation of it as to what weight and value to give to it.
Mr. Specter.
Does that request, Mr. Tonahill, go only for the time that everyone is present, or do you want him present while the examination itself is going on?
Mr. Tonahill.
While the examination itself is going on--before and during the examinations--before the examination and during the actual examination, so that he can actually observe the actual examination.
Mr. Specter.
In view of the expression of concern that has been made by Dr. Tanay, that request will be granted, since it is made by counsel for Mr. Ruby at this time.
The JAILER (on entering the room). He will be right up. (Mr. Ruby entered the hearing room at 2:23 p.m. )
Mr. Specter.
May the record now show that Mr. Ruby is present. Mr. Ruby, I am Arlen Specter. How are you today?
Mr. Ruby.
Fine; how are you?
Mr. Tonahill.
Jack, that's Mr. Specter of the Warren Commission.
Mr. Specter.
Mr. Ruby, why don't you have a chair over here we've been getting things set up, and let me introduce you to everybody so you will know who everybody is.
This is Miss Odell Oliver, who is the court reporter, and she will take your testimony just like we did before.
Miss OLIVER. How do you do, Mr. Ruby?
Mr. Specter.
And I guess you know Dr. Beavers, and this is Mr. Wood. He is one of the polygraph operators with the FBI, and this is Mr. Herndon, one of the operators and with the FBI also. This is Mr. Alexander, and your name, sir?
The JAILER. Mr. Holman, E. L.
Mr. Specter.
This is Mr. Holman.
Mr. Ruby.
Can Fowler remain here after I start with the interrogation?
Mr. Specter.
Yes; Mr. Ruby. The procedure which we've discussed is this and this is subject to agreement of all sides, and we've been through it, but let me go through it with you. We are going to conduct the polygraph examination in a standard way, which involves a series of questions, about eight or nine in duration. Before we start with the series, the questions will be explained to you advance so that you will know exactly what the questions are to be and you know what the operator means by the questions. He will explain them so
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