Mr. Hubert.

What was the product?

Mr. Ruby.

It was this plastic spinner that you see on these wires in front of service stations and used car lots and the weather--when they are spinning around would force them to crack in half and they would fall on the cars and maybe damage them and they weren't satisfied with them and we found out later that this man who made our mould for us didn't design it properly.

Mr. Hubert.

Where are Lasser and Weisbrod now, do you know?

Mr. Ruby.

They are partners in the wholesale distributing business of sunglasses.

Mr. Hubert.

In what city?

Mr. Ruby.

In Dallas--I believe the name is Mode (spelling) M-o-d-e, Imports.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you have occasion to see those people frequently?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I haven't seen those people in maybe maybe for about 3 years.

Mr. Hubert.

They were friends of Jack's?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack get you interested in this venture with these two men?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, he introduced me to them and he did say that they had a very good business and that they were hard working fellows.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you invest any money with them?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Hubert.

How much?

Mr. Ruby.

$3,500.

Mr. Hubert.

When you dissolved, did they buy you out?

Mr. Ruby.

No; the whole company was dissolved. We just liquidated it. We paid all of our debts.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any part of the investment returned to you?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

So, you lost the $3,500 in that venture?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

After that was completed, what did you do?

Mr. Ruby.

In the latter part of 1956, I investigated this coin-operated washateria business and I succeeded in purchasing and in installing a new coin-operated washateria at 3608 Oak Lawn in Dallas.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the name of it?

Mr. Ruby.

It was Speedy Wash, I believe it was.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was just a trade name?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you borrowed some money from some banks to do that?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I borrowed some money from some banks.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any other ventures since that, or is that still in existence?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I lost my lease---my lease was up and Ward's Drug Store next door somehow managed to get the lease on the store and, of course, I had to vacate and discontinue that place, but while I had that place of business I purchased the Bonnie Washateria at 2002 East 11th Street in Dallas and I also purchased another washateria at 2524 North Fitzhugh in Dallas.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you still operate those?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I sold both of those.

Mr. Hubert.

How long ago?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, this one at 2425 North Fitzhugh was the Ruby Washateria and I sold that 2 years ago last March--let me see----that would be 1962, wouldn't it?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Ruby.

In March 1962.

Mr. Hubert.

That Was the last one you sold?

Mr. Ruby.

No; that was the Ruby Washateria. Then, the Bonnie Washateria, was at 2002 East 11th Street, I sold just last December, I believe it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Whom did you sell that to?

Mr. Ruby.

To a Mr. George Cernorsky.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the purpose of your selling it?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I had a lot of competition--there was a new washateria opened up there on the street from me about a block away next to a supermarket