Mrs. Grant.

publicity," and Mr. Foreman and Mr. Kaufman got into some squabble there and Mr. Kaufman left heated, I understand, and Mr. Percy Foreman called me later that afternoon that he was coming out to see me in the evening. He heard I had a doctor and I was sick. He didn't show up.

Mr. Burleson.

Did he make arrangements to meet you the next morning?

Mrs. Grant.

He did.

Mr. Burleson.

Monday morning?

Mrs. Grant.

At 9:30.

Mr. Burleson.

Where?

Mrs. Grant.

In the lobby of his hotel--the Statler.

Mr. Burleson.

Did you come down?

Mrs. Grant.

I came down.

Mr. Burleson.

With whom?

Mrs. Grant.

With my sister Ellen.

Mr. Burleson.

Did you meet him?

Mrs. Grant.

I met Mr. Burleson and Mr. Tonahill and we waited, and we went upstairs and waited---we ordered some coffee and a roll and we waited there about an hour and 40 minutes. The telephone rang and a news commentator was on the phone and Mr. Burleson answered it and Mr. Burleson was shocked from what he heard on the phone, that Mr. Percy Foreman, instead of coming down to his own room to see us, he went to the newspaper office somewhere or television or radio--I have no idea, and made a public display of himself, that he is withdrawing from the case. He indicated that he didn't get along with the family and he didn't like our attorney---our civil attorney.

Mr. Burleson.

Did you at any time see him personally?

Mrs. Grant.

I never met him personally.

Mr. Burleson.

He then got out of the case and hasn't had anything to do with it since?

Mrs. Grant.

No.

Mr. Burleson.

Then, shortly thereafter, did you have an opportunity to have a conference with Dr. Hubert Winston Smith?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Burleson.

And did you. Jack, and everybody sign a contract with Dr. Hubert Smith?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Burleson.

Employing him as chief counsel?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes--as chief counsel.

Mr. Burleson.

And keeping Mr. Tonahill and myself on?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Burleson.

Subsequent to that time, did your brother up in Chicago talk to a Mr. Charles Bellows?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, Mr. Bellows knew about this case right along because members of the family have known him for 20 or 30 years. I have never known him--I have heard of him--they went to him, and it's got so sick and sickening here that Earl decided, as a friend, he could help us and he is in the background.

Mr. Burleson.

Would you say he is in more an advisory capacity?

Mrs. Grant.

Just as a good family friend, and he is, I understand, a very fine great criminal lawyer and he wants to help.

Mr. Hubert.

And you are speaking of the present as well as the past?

Mrs. Grant.

In the past he didn't intercede because he figured Belli would be capable. Not that---now, wait a minute I don't mean to say that they are not--it's just after there is so much to it and he has heard how the case was handled, and since Earl went to him.

Mr. Burleson.

And Mr. Bellows did make one trip down to Dallas?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; he did.

Mr. Burleson.

And stayed a matter of hours and then flew on back?

Mrs. Grant.

That's right.

Mr. Burleson.

So that to get back to what we wanted to answer the question he asked you earlier---who are the present attorneys now?

Mrs. Grant.

Phil Burleson, who is doing most of the work, Mr. Joe Tonahill, Mr. Hubert Winston Smith, and Mr. Charles Bellows.